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Re: *~1Best~* post# 143

Saturday, 10/10/2009 12:02:09 AM

Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:02:09 AM

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Highline >> What the bible sets forth as the Ten Commandments is also things that our society sets forths as values to adhere to.

In court- people are sworn in on a bible. Our money says "In God We Trust". Our President is sworn in placing 1 hand on a bible. Our Pledge Of Allegiance include "One Nation Under God" etc....

I do believe that our Founding Fathers seen the potential/political danger that organized religion could use to distort the Christian values they founded the country on.

I'll give a little different perspective of Abe Lincoln and could do the same with the others but I have a strange feeling that your mind is set- therefore being a waste of time.

Another close individual, Lincoln's wife and widow, wrote exactly the opposite opinion of her husband's faith:

"… As my husband was known to be the most loving and devoted husband & father we will allow these falsehoods a place where they deserve. We all — the whole world have been greatly shocked — at the fearful ideas — Herndon — has advanced regarding Mr. Lincoln's religious views. You, who knew him so well & held so many conversations with him, as far back as twenty years since, know what they were. A man, who never took the name of the Maker in vain, who always read his Bible diligently, who never failed to rely on God's promises & looked upon Him for protection, surely such a man as this, could not have been a disbeliever, or any other than what he was, a true Christian gentleman. No one, but such a man as Herndon could venture — to suggest such an idea. From the time of the death of our little Edward, I believe my husband's heart was directed towards religion & as time passed on - when Mr. Lincoln became elevated to Office - with the care of a great Nation, upon his shoulders - when devastating war was upon us then indeed to my knowledge - did his great heart go up daily, hourly, in prayer to God - for his sustaining power. When too - the overwhelming sorrow came upon us, our beautiful bright angelic boy, Willie was called away from us, to his Heavenly Home, with God's chastising hand upon us - he turned his heart to Christ —"[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_religion

Excerpt from: Mark A Noll, "The Ambiguous Religion of President Abraham Lincoln" (see full text of link below):
Considerable uncertainty arises... when Lincoln's own religion is examined... it is obvious that Christianity exerted a profound influence on his life. His father was a member of Regular Baptist churches in Kentucky and Indiana. Lincoln himself read the Bible throughout his life, quoted from it extensively... during his years as president he did regularly attend the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church in Washington. On the other hand, Lincoln never joined a church nor ever made a clear profession of standard Christian beliefs... Lincoln's friend Jesse Fell [suggested that Lincoln's views on Christian theology] were not orthodox... It is probable that Lincoln was turned against organized Christianity by his experiences as a young man in New Salem, Illinois, where excessive emotion and bitter sectarian quarrels marked yearly camp meetings and the ministry of traveling preachers. Yet although Lincoln was not a church member, he did ponder the eternal significance of his own circumstances...

http://www.adherents.com/people/pl/Abraham_Lincoln.html


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