Sometime you can teach more about P&F'ing... and I'll get you to grubbing around and looking at EPS , PE , fundamentals and market caps at some point too <G> <A HREF="http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=17559925" target="_new">http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=17559925</A> what a team , hehe...I gave up on OJ long time ago, he's absolutely -->clueless. ;-) PS: Manu in the 4's now , VRTS next tuesday will really tell a tale cause ORCL's Ellison is so full O' sh*T.