Good morning Real Titan :-) The way I see it... If one wants to win the argument, concentrate on re-framing the discussion... If one needs to win the argument, concentrate on un-dressing the opponent... In the case of time-frame-- IMO this is equivalent to "are we there yet?" And ultimately, at least for the length of the contract, there is a desire to maintain a Pollyanna-ish sparkle :-( (for the sake of the averages ;-) )