exactly kenny which is why i'm so grateful we at least now have a time frame given to us by the SEC and DOJ .. coupled with the superb skills of a few on this board <laura .. woofer .. scion .. among others> one can *read* to their heart's content and note the various over lapping and interactions by those *currently* identified imo .. the tip of the iceberg is what is known .. now -- 4kids all jmo