derbenski...
"I am headed out to sin city in the am so no time to discuss this much. In essence you answered your own question.
"God is omniscient, knowing the end of everything from the beginning. He knew before He began creation everything that would happen in all the Universe for all time -- we call that the foreknowledge of God."
God then, must have known that Adam would fail before he created him. If "A" is true then "B" must be true. It is a simple concept."
We are in complete agreement on this part -- God was certainly aware that Adam and Eve would disobey His command and sin. God is never "caught by surprise" by anything.
"He created the Universe and all that was in it in its original, perfect state." -- mlsoft
I guess then that he would have created Satan too. Was God surprised when he had found that the snake had tempted Eve and Adam also ate? Of course not, because he knew they would sin before he created them."
Again, we are in agreement. God is never surprised by anything, and He was fully aware that Adam and Eve would sin, and that Satan would tempt them to do so. If you read my post, I clearly said that God created Satan also, but that when Satan was created, he was perfect in all his being. He, like man, was created sinless and perfect, and part of being a perfect creation was the fact that they had free will. How can they exhibit love of and obedience to God unless they have free will?? What would be the point of creating either angels or man without the element of their having the free will ability to make a choice between loving and obeying God or not??
I assume by your reference to "sin city", you are headed to Vegas. Have a safe trip.
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