no typical manipulation is to have the primary *player* and the secondary *player* .. be fairly close to each other in volume remember in 2007 ~ the total volume that separated NITE and SBSH was 5 Million shares sbsh did 521M and nite did 516M that is the *norm* .. nite is screwed and so is whomever is *utilizing* them ~ such a shame NOT ~ -- 4kids all jmo