I think market share and their margins are killing them ;however ,I am not smart enough to know if it is a buy or not at this time .Hey,I do not think any of us are having a real good time in this market now .Played Mvk for a little today at 29 and got out at 30.50.They had blowout qtr.and expected the same the next . Guess what , it finished at around 28 later in the day . Nothing seems to be working now so I did not want to take the chance on CCMP . It does have a huge short position so if I do see it moving up I will not be afraid to jump on it .I did not understand your message on Jcom earlier ,why did you get out ?I kind of liked the action today and think it was only down in conjunction with the market .Please explain what you see that Iam not on this one .