if you wonder why no one takes you seriously, its because you're the bear version of Joe Battapalia or Abbey Joseph Cohen (that's gotta kill ya) - even THEY'LL be right with their predictions of 12,000 or 15,000 DOW or whatever eventually - the idea is to be out for most of the carnage in getting there (for them, its when the market goes down...for you when it goes up) - you fail, as they do, that test...miserably
Virtually Yours,
Patrick Bateman
"It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again."