Well DM if GRC and the millions they have spent cannot put machines all over the world, how can you talk? I have produced a working machine. GRC has produced nothing but more hot air. If we do succeed in getting this technology off the ground at least I have a working machine with very positive energy returns to show. GRC evidently does not. Who do you think will win? Looks like I will from the results from Arizona.Hawk has already failed with his great engineering feat the Hawk 10. If you like backing losers you are doing great DM.