Don't blame you a bit twitch... i've been holding the bag on this for 4 years & as terribly as we thought Larry did, at least with him at the helm it didn't go sub penny, these guys running the show are some slick dealers w/ these 4 companies MinaMar is "promoting" While some feel a move is near, the "move" maybe only back to .005 (which still is a significant gain from the .001 it is now) this company has been a lost bet for me for 4+ years and at this point what can you do but ride it out...seems all we got to lose is a few "sub" pennies..