Birdsy.... the loser comment was in direct refence to the underperformance of the SP in tandem with mass dilution, the price has fallen to where it is now from levels above .005 & higher. Ofcourse those who may have gotten pickups at .0005 to .001 maybe saying this stock is doing great, but I do believe that most of the ones on the board are big time red on HKBV, the dilutive effect certianly hasn't helped our cause... So most are truly forced to hold or take a sizable loss, MinaMar's past projects seem to move lower & that too is not too much of a confidence builder.. I would believe most here a while are down 40-80%, meaning 80%-160% gains are needed JUST to get back even!!!Like the rally yesterday i'm not sure this will hold, yesterday it touched .002 & closed at .0016, we'll see...not really too much volume to hang a hat on...