Tornado Alley (PROG)

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bj -- what truly is not so easily understandable for me is your (and some others') utter lack of any apparent ability to admit, acknowledge or even grasp the obvious truth that every person is a different individual, no less inherently human than anybody else, and that not all, and indeed few, Iraqis or Afghans or Saudis are anything like these verily biblical demons of terror you describe so indiscriminately and ignorantly -- I'd love to see what you'd be thinking and how you'd be feeling and acting if you were, and were in the place of, one of 'these same people' who had been, as you so euphemistically put it, 'hazed' -- I'd bet you'd be beyond pissed, and would feel absolutely justified in feeling that way and in thinking quite badly of the Americans and America -- and guess what, you'd be right

re 'some soldiers' -- notwithstanding all the factual sources and analyses to such effect that have already been presented on this board, all of which you have evidently selectively ignored (because they and their facts do not 'fit in' with your [ideological?] prejudices and preconceptions?), you evidently continue in total denial of the reality that this situation was (and continues to be) absolutely deliberate system-wide policy, not only in Iraq but also in Afghanistan and at Gitmo, and indeed throughout our 'anti-terror' intelligence/military -- in truth, keeping in mind e.g. the famous Stanford Study, the actual soldiers (as distinguished from the professional intelligence operatives and contractors) involved in carrying out the, umm, 'hazings', very much like the 'guard' students in the Stanford Study, are actually in a sense also victims of the same situation, along with (though obviously hardly in the same way or to the same extent as) the 'hazed' prisoners -- the primary blame does properly fall, and the primary acccounting and accountability should properly fall, on those who knowingly and deliberately created and encouraged the situation (which I believe simply has to reach beyond rummy to at least Halliburton-boy, as well as to asscrack and Tenet) (. . .)

as for your 'What isn't understandable is the glee some liberals take in seeing our boys humiliated for what they did.' -- first, that is just another in a seemingly endless stream of instances of the sort of dim-and-belligerent-and-proud-of-it crap that has earned you the scorn you've been met with here, every bit of which you've richly deserved -- second, you do seem to be suggesting that the perspective for all of us properly ought to be 'no truth annoying to the vain myths and jingoism of the powerful, and justice only for the powerful (right or wrong)' . . . perhaps your 'radical ideology' is the one that could stand another look?