GM board...yep MrB..looks like the slope 10 addition sort of tied it all together.Was just looking at EGHT Ichimoku/Renko chart ...Soapy had posted several charts earlier and EGHT was the first...have not looked at the others yet but here is what my EGHT chart looks like..BTW I tried numerous slope parameters but the 10 is the one that consistantly nailed the reversals