Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:24:12 PM
Re: Bobcat will be superior to Atom simply because it will integrate a lot more functionality on die.
Like what? AMD's July 2007 Analyst's Day slides described a chip for the 1-10W TDP range that would be a simpler core than contemporary x86 cores, built from the grounds up.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3050&p=6
That sounds a lot like Silverthorne, except higher power. I note that AMD eventually removed this core from their December 2007 Analyst's Day slides, along with Bulldozer and Falcon.
Presumably, AMD slipped the schedule for a year, but it's also possible that they went back to the drawing board when they realized that Bobcat wouldn't be competitive with Intel's first generation Atom core, let alone their 2009 or 2010 generations.
Atom is a dual issue in-order core, and it uses the power of 45nm High-K and Metal Gate transistors to reach TDP power levels of 0.6-2.4W, average power levels of 160-220mW, and idle power levels of 80-100mW.
http://download.intel.com/design/chipsets/embedded/prodbrf/Atom_Product_Brief.pdf
That's a tall bar for a future Bobcat design as it is. And with Intel's next generation Moorestown platform, idle power is supposed to be even lower. Moorestown will also have an integrated memory controller, video decode and encode engine, and 3D graphics all on-die. And Moorestown arrives in 2009. When will Bobcat arrive, and what features will it come with?
Re: I still don't get it why Intel paired Atom with a 130nm 3 years old chipset.
Because it's a one year stop-gap before they start ramping Moorestown, which will likely use a 65nm chipset, or possibly even 45nm.
Like what? AMD's July 2007 Analyst's Day slides described a chip for the 1-10W TDP range that would be a simpler core than contemporary x86 cores, built from the grounds up.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3050&p=6
That sounds a lot like Silverthorne, except higher power. I note that AMD eventually removed this core from their December 2007 Analyst's Day slides, along with Bulldozer and Falcon.
Presumably, AMD slipped the schedule for a year, but it's also possible that they went back to the drawing board when they realized that Bobcat wouldn't be competitive with Intel's first generation Atom core, let alone their 2009 or 2010 generations.
Atom is a dual issue in-order core, and it uses the power of 45nm High-K and Metal Gate transistors to reach TDP power levels of 0.6-2.4W, average power levels of 160-220mW, and idle power levels of 80-100mW.
http://download.intel.com/design/chipsets/embedded/prodbrf/Atom_Product_Brief.pdf
That's a tall bar for a future Bobcat design as it is. And with Intel's next generation Moorestown platform, idle power is supposed to be even lower. Moorestown will also have an integrated memory controller, video decode and encode engine, and 3D graphics all on-die. And Moorestown arrives in 2009. When will Bobcat arrive, and what features will it come with?
Re: I still don't get it why Intel paired Atom with a 130nm 3 years old chipset.
Because it's a one year stop-gap before they start ramping Moorestown, which will likely use a 65nm chipset, or possibly even 45nm.
Recent INTC News
- Citi Forecasts Massive Expansion in Server CPU Market Through 2030 • UK Market News • 05/23/2026 02:02:13 PM
- Citigroup Sees Server CPU Market Reaching $132 Billion by 2030 as Intel Retains Leadership • IH Market News • 05/23/2026 02:01:14 PM
- Form 3 - Initial statement of beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/22/2026 08:24:43 PM
- Form 3 - Initial statement of beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/22/2026 08:23:33 PM
- Form SD - Specialized disclosure report • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/19/2026 08:52:09 PM
- Intel pushes PC makers toward next-generation chips amid AI demand surge (INTC) • IH Market News • 05/19/2026 10:44:23 AM
- U.S. Stocks Poised for Additional Weakness Following Friday Sell-Off: Dow Jones, S&P, Nasdaq, Wall Street Futures • IH Market News • 05/18/2026 01:12:28 PM
- Wall Street Futures Point Lower as Middle East Risks and Bond Yields Pressure Markets: Dow Jones, S&P, Nasdaq • UK Market News • 05/18/2026 01:12:13 PM
- Form 4 - Statement of changes in beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:34:26 PM
- Form 4 - Statement of changes in beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:33:14 PM
- Form 4 - Statement of changes in beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:30:44 PM
- Form 144 - Report of proposed sale of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:24:05 PM
- Form 4 - Statement of changes in beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:23:43 PM
- Form 4 - Statement of changes in beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:22:33 PM
- Form 4 - Statement of changes in beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:21:12 PM
- Form 4 - Statement of changes in beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:20:12 PM
- Form 4 - Statement of changes in beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:17:13 PM
- Form 4 - Statement of changes in beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:16:14 PM
- Form 4 - Statement of changes in beneficial ownership of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:15:01 PM
- Form 8-K - Current report • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:13:15 PM
- Form 144 - Report of proposed sale of securities • Edgar (US Regulatory) • 05/15/2026 08:09:34 PM
- Tech Stocks Slide as Treasury Yields Surge and Inflation Fears Mount: Dow Jones, S&P and Nasdaq Futures Today • IH Market News • 05/15/2026 01:15:56 PM
- AMD and ARM Extend Server Market Gains While Intel Loses Share (AMD) • IH Market News • 05/14/2026 10:30:40 AM
- Intel Rejoins Formula One Through McLaren Technology Partnership (INTC) • IH Market News • 05/14/2026 10:18:31 AM
- Intel Named Official Compute Partner of McLaren Racing • Business Wire • 05/14/2026 10:00:00 AM
