Interesting to see you back posting here Howard. You preached patience for so long. You told us how slow and careful the Chinese Government was and what horrible things could happen to anyone who made a mistake. You helped explain their culture and business practices. Now you tell us they steal technology all the time. Whatever Bud, you sold a long time ago didn't you? IMO, the blame for ipkl's dilemma lays directly at Kanno's feet, not the Chinese. Last March the Chinese JV recieved approval. In April a 3 way American partnership was announced. In May demonstrations were announced with a US mine and MSHA. Eight long months ago the letter of intent was announced. Since then not a word. What I thought a few years ago was a good company with a needed product now seems to be the usual pinky scam with Kanno at the head of it in my opinion. I can't blame the Chinese for that.