Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:53:00 AM
Outstanding work JDS! (re: post 53958)
See – this is why I love this board, point in the direction a little and the education for all that comes out is amazing – a very informed group here – what’s more, I do believe most of y’all will understand the material as well! I wish the skulls-full-of-mush they hire out of college for me to train up were half as motivated!
Mystic (re: post 53972)
Not to worry Mystic – the bears will be undaunted – I approach EW from a technical standpoint, which the bears have not attacked that I’ve seen. In addition to a good product or service a successful company needs marketing, sales, streamlined manufacturing processes, to be able to deliver that product/service at a good profit margin, good corporate management and overall profitability. These are all things totally outside my world. I’m sure the bears will continue to have fun down their main axis of attack. I will leave it to you financial types to argue over all the various forms and filings and their significance. A mans gotta know his limitations after all – but look out….i’m learning!
Sage (re: post 53957)
There is a huge difference in cost between an offshore supply boat or oceangoing tug and a supertanker or aircraft carrier. The cost range is very wide primarily affected by number and type of I/O (see JDS post 53958), regulatory bodies being built to, whether it is a one of a kind or if a whole class of the vessel will be built and many other variables. The initial procurement cost range could run from 5 figures to 8 figures per system (I would not have a clue on profit margins – not my bag) but that is not the whole story. A ship is a 20 to 50 year investment and will need upgrades, maintenance, and modifications throughout its life which can create continuing revenue streams from each contract for decades following the initial build.
On your custom design question – if the ship is one of a kind it is indeed custom – if a whole class of vessel is to be built usually the lead ship incurs most of the NRE (non recurring engineering) costs and then a lower (usually fixed) price for follow on hulls (cost usually adjusted to cover inflation) plus charges for changes that occur specific to each hull. On a multi year production run it is normal for a certain amount of equipment to become obsolete, no longer be produced/available or be added by design changes. So even within a class of vessel no two are identical but they are similar.
To All: (re various posts)
Thank you for your kind words…as JDS pointed out in post 53974 most of the EW DD was already here…just needed a way to put it into perspective if you haven’t been exposed to the industry before.
See – this is why I love this board, point in the direction a little and the education for all that comes out is amazing – a very informed group here – what’s more, I do believe most of y’all will understand the material as well! I wish the skulls-full-of-mush they hire out of college for me to train up were half as motivated!
Mystic (re: post 53972)
Not to worry Mystic – the bears will be undaunted – I approach EW from a technical standpoint, which the bears have not attacked that I’ve seen. In addition to a good product or service a successful company needs marketing, sales, streamlined manufacturing processes, to be able to deliver that product/service at a good profit margin, good corporate management and overall profitability. These are all things totally outside my world. I’m sure the bears will continue to have fun down their main axis of attack. I will leave it to you financial types to argue over all the various forms and filings and their significance. A mans gotta know his limitations after all – but look out….i’m learning!
Sage (re: post 53957)
There is a huge difference in cost between an offshore supply boat or oceangoing tug and a supertanker or aircraft carrier. The cost range is very wide primarily affected by number and type of I/O (see JDS post 53958), regulatory bodies being built to, whether it is a one of a kind or if a whole class of the vessel will be built and many other variables. The initial procurement cost range could run from 5 figures to 8 figures per system (I would not have a clue on profit margins – not my bag) but that is not the whole story. A ship is a 20 to 50 year investment and will need upgrades, maintenance, and modifications throughout its life which can create continuing revenue streams from each contract for decades following the initial build.
On your custom design question – if the ship is one of a kind it is indeed custom – if a whole class of vessel is to be built usually the lead ship incurs most of the NRE (non recurring engineering) costs and then a lower (usually fixed) price for follow on hulls (cost usually adjusted to cover inflation) plus charges for changes that occur specific to each hull. On a multi year production run it is normal for a certain amount of equipment to become obsolete, no longer be produced/available or be added by design changes. So even within a class of vessel no two are identical but they are similar.
To All: (re various posts)
Thank you for your kind words…as JDS pointed out in post 53974 most of the EW DD was already here…just needed a way to put it into perspective if you haven’t been exposed to the industry before.
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