Murray I use the CCI 14 like the instructions , but try if possible to fight for the price a little if the bar is big. Also that kind of helps my stop out a little, below the low (bingo) and mental thoughts. Well if I can locate the S/R that gloe and you talk about I will take that into my stop as well. I try not to have a disrespectful loss. I love Dolphins. About two weeks ago a surf ride was helped by 4 dolphins to swim to shore. After he was bitten 2x by a killer shark in Calf. They made a protective circle around him. I will read up on the site latter. sb