yes i have seen "their cars" but i believe they got these when things were great. i elieve do not know for sure but that they are not taking paychecks at the moment until things get turned around. don't know if its true but thats what i believe. As for the condo Ron has i do believe he bought that with his own money and that the company didnt buy it. these guys seem to be humble now and i hope for good things rally i share in your pain the only thing helping is buying on the way down of course i could be digging a bigger hole time will tell