Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

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Yeah, Israel started the 1967 war to grab land. Yep, it was completely unprovoked

Yep, pretty much. Also attacked a US warship that got too close to the truth.

A Muslim who wants to wipe Israel off the map was just given the opportunity to spew his venom at the UN last week.

A'jad's a rabble rouser. He starts shit to bolster his sagging support at home. There would be no support for that either under the Saudi plan. Iran is one of the countries that offered to recognize Israel diplomatically.

And whether you care to believe it, there ARE many Muslims who want to kill all the Jews. One of their representative parties won the election in Gaza.

No butt boy, Hamas won the election in all of Palestine. Hamas is a group formed as a resistance to decades of occupation. It's what I would do. You... that's hard to say. You're a punk and a coward. I assume you'd just cooperate with the new bosses.


Speaking of Gaza,how does Israel ceding land there fit in with your expansionist ideas there?? How does ceding land in the Gaza and the West Bank fit your scenario??

Israel owns neither piece of territory. Cede implies that they have some legal right to it in the first place. Israel withdrew from occupied Gaza under duress and immediately began attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure in one of their most depicable series of actions to date. Consider cutting off electricity and running water, bombing schools and hospitals and buildings full of people.

As Dan Haluz said about dropping a 1 ton bomb on a city block in the most densely populated area on earth, "All I feel is a slight bump when the bomb clears the plane."

That's a piece of shit and a genocidal war criminal... or to you and Hap, a warrior.

What about the serious proposal put forth at Oslo that had Israel ceding much land to buy peace???

Show me a map of that. Israel kept all the water, all the arable land, all the borders, all the hilltops... what did the Palestinians get? They didn't even get casino licenses although the metaphor would have been appropriate.

Here's some reference material, with maps.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/israel-palestine/occupindex.htm

Here's some more, taken from Israeli documents.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story638.html

I'm not a holocaust denier. I know enough witnesses, but why are the Palestinians less important than Jews? A'jad has some sort of a point there.

Once the Jews were victims. Israel's spent that. All of it.