fiat, ok fine but we weren't established as the real deal, when we ran to .11 either. Pure speculation ran us up there, not product sales, revenues or earnings, just the buzz about nicosan and speculation. So there is no reason to think money couldn't be made, with a few well timed PR's, especially for those holding shares at or under a penny. That could happen if we're otc or pimk. I'm not saying I know what will happen in the future or that i now believe this is a scam, I'm just saying there is a lot of uncertainty and lots of possibilities, including some that don't look that great. This whole situation should have been handeld much better, especially for retail shareholders!JMHO