I tried.....I really tried to read your link. I must admit, that I had to breath into a brown paper bag when I read the following. "Spider therefore became our grandmother." However, I had to put the bag aside and start jumping up and down while screaming "NUTCASE!!!!" when I read...... "So the people sent the shield-light to the east, where it became the moon." Perhaps the Mayans just had an epiphany that people are stupid enough to believe anything. th