gdepc , as always when arnold thinks the sky is falling and it's very bad for Cytogenix it's time to buy , I just was at the VGX website, and the plasmids is made the old way with bacteria , so Cytogenix still has the best way . <A HREF="http://www.vgxp.com/manufacturing.html" target="_blank">http://www.vgxp.com/manufacturing.html</A>