lastdeal--I learned long ago to pay more attention to bashers than to hypers. It is my job to find out why the bashers may be wrong. Listening to bashers has not cost me any money that I can think of, but listening to hypers certainly has. BTW, I have read every post here and on RB for over two years and attended 3 SH meetings. My personal conclusions are that the core is fantastic, the timing and diversion of focus to whirlygigs is unfortunate and the management is still suspect. I see many faults and many pluses as to management and have not come to my own final conclusion as of yet. BTW, the post that started this conversation was meant as a joke, but it seems not to have worked.