Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

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Coal, some additions:

Elder Bush is not a neocon and is against the war with Iraq. Elder Bush is no longer retained by the Carlyle Group which carries a strong neocon influence as of October, 2003, after his trip to Russia.

"A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," was co-authored by neocon Perle, it is the blueprint for most of our Middle East aggression and by its presentation date, July 8, 1996, proves that a terrorist threat to the United States is not behind the war in Iraq. ‘Clean Break’ repudiates the underlying concept of "land for peace". In a blow to the neocon grand design, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon says Israel will have to give up some occupied land for peace with Palestinians, but vows to speed up work on a disputed West Bank barrier which is being built mostly inside the internationally accepted 1967 border between Israel and the West Bank in order to insure the maximum number of Israeli settlements and land on its Israeli side This then is iffy, however, Sharon’s statement is at odds with the neocon’s ‘Clean Break’ and supposedly Israel is giving up land for peace.

‘Clean Break’ also calls for the elimination of the Saddam Hussein regime in Baghdad, as a first step towards overthrowing or destabilizing the governments of Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. The neocon plan to eliminate Saddam and neutralize Iraq is not as easy as Bush was led to believe as the cost in all its aspects becomes unmanageable. This would be another mark against the neocons. Neoconservatism, says scholar Mark Gerson, has “become what we now identify as American conservatism; in that sense, they have been so successful that it is now appropriate to drop the prefix ‘neo’ from their appellation.” Except that the occupation of Iraq, in that it has become so cumbersome, cannot be called a success. There is no victory and if we do eventually subdue Iraq the cost will be so high that in my opinion it will hurt the Neoconservative cause.

I would further submit that the neocons and ‘Clean Break” have entangled The United States in a web that is giving Russia the time it needs to regroup. This I think has finally dawned on Bush and should make him even less enamored of the neocons.

And now I would add this to our list. The neocons I do not believe would be happy about the following.

Israel Fumes at U.S. Opening to Doves, Steps Up Raids
Updated 8:28 AM ET December 3, 2003
By Mark Heinrich
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel fumed on Wednesday over Secretary of State Colin Powell's plan to meet the authors of a symbolic Middle East peace deal that the Israeli government has rejected as capitulation to Palestinian demands.
http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=031203&cat=news&st=newsmideastdc

There is a chance that the neocons are beginning to fall from grace, very quietly and backstage, and Bush the Elder could be gaining some influence over junior. United States foreign policy seems a little less tilted toward Israel these days. But not enough to go on yet. -Am




Reference:

On July 8, 1996, Richard Perle, now the Chairman of the Defense Policy Board, an advisory group that reports to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, presented a written document to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, spelling out a new Israeli foreign policy, calling for a repudiation of the Oslo Accords and the underlying concept of "land for peace"; for the permanent annexation of the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip; and for the elimination of the Saddam Hussein regime in Baghdad, as a first step towards overthrowing or destabilizing the governments of Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. The document was prepared for the Jerusalem and Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS), a think tank financed by Richard Mellon-Scaife. The report, "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," was co-authored by Perle; Douglas Feith, currently the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy; David Wurmser, currently special assistant to State Department chief arms control negotiator John Bolton; and Meyrav Wurmser, now director of Mideast Policy at the Hudson Institute.

http://www.yaledivestmentnews.org/worlddomination.html

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/651/op33.htm


The neocons’ influence waned with the election of George H.W. Bush, a so-called realist who did not share the neocons’ grand dreams of remaking the world.

The Carlyle Group, an investment bank that retained the elder Mr. Bush as an adviser until a few weeks ago, has a close business relationship with Mr. Khodorkovsky. Although Mr. Bush was in Russia as a Carlyle representative, the bank said, his visit had nothing to do with oil deals and he did not meet privately with Mr. Khodorkovsky. - How Russian Oil Tycoon Courted Friends in U.S.
By TIMOTHY L. O'BRIEN, Published: November 5, 2003

Khodorkovsky who had a close relationship with the Carlyle Group was arrested on October 26, 2003

It looks like Bush left as a Carlyle advisor right before Khodorkovsky was arrested.



Israel ready to cede land for peace

29.11.2003
TEL AVIV - Prime Minister Ariel Sharon says Israel will have to give up some occupied land for peace with Palestinians, but vows to speed up work on a disputed West Bank barrier it deems vital to its security.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3536728&thesection=news&thesubsection=wor...