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Re: OMOLIVES post# 553362

Saturday, 11/22/2025 8:20:30 PM

Saturday, November 22, 2025 8:20:30 PM

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Just so YOU know. All of the elected officials in that video served in the military. As such they know the following, which Trump neither knows nor would he understand, being the amoral lawless POS he has demonstrated himself to be.

A military member's oath of office binds them to defend the U.S. Constitution, not an individual, and they are legally obligated to disobey "manifestly unlawful" orders. Unlawful orders are those that clearly violate the Constitution or international law, such as intentionally targeting civilians or committing atrocities. Following an illegal order can have severe consequences, including court-martial, and is not a valid legal defense.

The oath and illegal orders

Oath to the Constitution: The oath of enlistment and office is to the Constitution, not the President or other individuals.
Duty to disobey: U.S. military members are required to obey lawful orders but must refuse to carry out orders that are "manifestly unlawful" or "clearly violate the U.S. Constitution or international law".

Examples of unlawful orders: These include orders to harm civilians, torture detainees, or falsify records.

Legal consequences: A service member who follows an illegal order can be held liable and prosecuted. The defense of "following orders" is not valid for a patently illegal command, as established in the precedent of the Nuremberg trials.

Punishment for disobedience: While refusing an illegal order is a legal obligation, failing to obey a lawful order can result in punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

Important distinction

"Unlawful" vs. "controversial": It's crucial to distinguish between an "unlawful" order and one that is merely controversial, politically fraught, or considered unwise. The requirement to refuse is only for orders that are "patently illegal"


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