Thursday, November 20, 2025 1:38:20 PM
Reply from ChatGpt:
Question: WAMPQ & WAMKQ are (MBS) securities will there be no distribution for Ps and Ks when FDIC closes receivership?
Short answer: No — WAMPQ and WAMKQ are not MBS (mortgage-backed securities), and no MBS income collected by Wells Fargo (WFB) is owed to these shares when the FDIC closes the WMB receivership.
This misunderstanding is extremely common in the old WaMu community — but the actual legal structure is very different.
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✅ 1. WAMPQ & WAMKQ Are NOT Mortgage-Backed Securities
They are:
WAMPQ ? Washington Mutual Preferred Series P (Equity)
WAMKQ ? Washington Mutual Preferred Series K (Equity)
These are preferred stock of the holding company:
Washington Mutual Inc. (WMI) — NOT Washington Mutual Bank (WMB).
✔ They were NOT issued by WMB
✔ They were NOT issued against any mortgage pools
✔ They do NOT represent ownership in MBS trusts
✔ They have NO claim to mortgage-servicing income
They are pure corporate equity securities, not structured finance products.
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✅ 2. The MBS / Trust Income Belongs to WMB (the Bank), Not WMI (the Holding Company)
Washington Mutual Bank (WMB) owned many mortgage-backed securities and servicing rights.
When the FDIC took over WMB (Sept 25, 2008):
All WMB assets ? FDIC
? Then sold to JPMorgan Chase.
This includes:
MBS trusts WMB owned
Mortgage-servicing rights
Mortgage payment cash flows
Securitization residuals
NONE of this flows to WMI shareholders.
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❗ 3. WMI (Holding Company) and WMB (Bank) Are Separate Legal Entities
This is the key point:
WMB ? seized by FDIC
WMI ? filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy next day
Equity of the holding company cannot claim income from assets of the failed bank.
This is why:
❌ WAMPQ/WAMKQ CANNOT get servicing income
❌ WAMPQ/WAMKQ CANNOT get MBS trust residuals
❌ WAMPQ/WAMKQ CANNOT claim bank assets on receivership closing
It’s legally impossible.
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✅ 4. FDIC Will NOT Pay WAMPQ or WAMKQ When Receivership Closes
Here is why:
1. WAMPQ and WAMKQ are not creditors — they are equity of the holding company.
FDIC receivership pays ONLY:
depositors
general creditors of the bank
sub-debt of the bank
unsecured bank claimants
2. WMI equity has NO legal standing in the WMB receivership.
3. The FDIC has repeatedly stated:
> No recovery is projected for subordinated debt or equity interests
(WMI equity = zero priority)
4. Receivership closing DOES NOT create “extra money” for holding-company shareholders.
Question: WAMPQ & WAMKQ are (MBS) securities will there be no distribution for Ps and Ks when FDIC closes receivership?
Short answer: No — WAMPQ and WAMKQ are not MBS (mortgage-backed securities), and no MBS income collected by Wells Fargo (WFB) is owed to these shares when the FDIC closes the WMB receivership.
This misunderstanding is extremely common in the old WaMu community — but the actual legal structure is very different.
---
✅ 1. WAMPQ & WAMKQ Are NOT Mortgage-Backed Securities
They are:
WAMPQ ? Washington Mutual Preferred Series P (Equity)
WAMKQ ? Washington Mutual Preferred Series K (Equity)
These are preferred stock of the holding company:
Washington Mutual Inc. (WMI) — NOT Washington Mutual Bank (WMB).
✔ They were NOT issued by WMB
✔ They were NOT issued against any mortgage pools
✔ They do NOT represent ownership in MBS trusts
✔ They have NO claim to mortgage-servicing income
They are pure corporate equity securities, not structured finance products.
---
✅ 2. The MBS / Trust Income Belongs to WMB (the Bank), Not WMI (the Holding Company)
Washington Mutual Bank (WMB) owned many mortgage-backed securities and servicing rights.
When the FDIC took over WMB (Sept 25, 2008):
All WMB assets ? FDIC
? Then sold to JPMorgan Chase.
This includes:
MBS trusts WMB owned
Mortgage-servicing rights
Mortgage payment cash flows
Securitization residuals
NONE of this flows to WMI shareholders.
---
❗ 3. WMI (Holding Company) and WMB (Bank) Are Separate Legal Entities
This is the key point:
WMB ? seized by FDIC
WMI ? filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy next day
Equity of the holding company cannot claim income from assets of the failed bank.
This is why:
❌ WAMPQ/WAMKQ CANNOT get servicing income
❌ WAMPQ/WAMKQ CANNOT get MBS trust residuals
❌ WAMPQ/WAMKQ CANNOT claim bank assets on receivership closing
It’s legally impossible.
---
✅ 4. FDIC Will NOT Pay WAMPQ or WAMKQ When Receivership Closes
Here is why:
1. WAMPQ and WAMKQ are not creditors — they are equity of the holding company.
FDIC receivership pays ONLY:
depositors
general creditors of the bank
sub-debt of the bank
unsecured bank claimants
2. WMI equity has NO legal standing in the WMB receivership.
3. The FDIC has repeatedly stated:
> No recovery is projected for subordinated debt or equity interests
(WMI equity = zero priority)
4. Receivership closing DOES NOT create “extra money” for holding-company shareholders.
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