Tornado Alley (PROG)

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17 people killed, three boats blown up. Trump administration lawless. Apple Podcast: Guest Charlie Savage

Produced by Carlos Prieto and Olivia Natt
Edited by Chris Haxel and Paige Cowett
With Devon Taylor and Patricia Willens
Original music by Rowan NiemistoDan Powell and Marion Lozano
Engineered by Alyssa Moxley

The U.S. military has blown up three boats in the Caribbean Sea in the past three weeks, killing 17 people aboard.

Each time, President Trump has claimed that the boats were carrying drugs to the United States and that those killed were “narcoterrorists.” But he has offered no concrete evidence to back up this claim.

Charlie Savage, who covers national security for The New York Times, tells us what he has learned about what may be the true objective behind these airstrikes and whether any of this is even legal.

On Today’s Episode

Charlie Savage, who writes about national security and legal policy for The New York Times.

Background Reading

Last week, Mr. Trump said the U.S. military had attacked a third boat suspected of carrying drugs, killing three.

He has claimed the power to kill those suspected of drug smuggling.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/25/podcasts/the-daily/us-venezuela-boat-strikes.html

Trump administration rational: While so many Americans are dying from drugs we are justified in bombing any boat we think may have drugs on board. It is like a policeman seeing a person on a street corner, suspecting the person could be dealing in drugs, and murdering them on suspicion. Murdering people with no due process is not sanctioned by any law.