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Re: dinogreeves post# 545853

Wednesday, 09/24/2025 7:54:04 PM

Wednesday, September 24, 2025 7:54:04 PM

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Late thought bottom: A few searches didn't come up with an Article 45 re impeachment in USA ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump .

"Thanks, with respect to impeachment. Some warden guy that I see during grocery shopping
every now and then, has told me about something about impeachment and article 45,
"

Trump's 1st term he was #45.

Then there is -- AI Overview

Read the Articles of Impeachment Against President Trump ...

The United States Constitution does not list specific impeachment articles, but rather establishes the grounds for impeachment in Article II, Section 4 as "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors". The House of Representatives has the sole power to approve these articles by a simple majority vote, effectively acting as the charging body. The Senate then has the sole power to try the impeachment, with the Senate voting on whether to remove the official from office.

Here's a breakdown of the constitutional process:

Constitutional Basis:
Article I, Section 2 gives the House of Representatives the sole power of impeachment.

Impeachable Offenses:
Article II, Section 4 specifies that the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States can be impeached for Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Role of the House:
The House of Representatives drafts and approves "articles of impeachment," which are specific charges against the official.

Role of the Senate:
The Senate holds the trial for the impeachment. A conviction requires a two-thirds concurrence of the members present, and the penalty is removal from office and potential disqualification from holding future office.

What "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" Means:
The definition of "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" was not specified in the Constitution and has been a subject of debate, with Congress having significant discretion in interpreting what constitutes such offenses
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=what+are+the+impeachment+articles+in+usa+constitution+

Late thought -- He must have meant the 25th:

So what would we do with a president who is not able to do the job? In addition to impeachment (Article II, Section 4), the 25th Amendment—and specifically Section 4 of the amendment—is the only other way the Constitution provides for removal of a president. Impeachment has a legal dimension—high crimes and misdemeanors. But the 25th Amendment addresses the problem of fitness for office, and here the nation is in uncharted territory.

What exactly is it?

The 25th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified in 1967, prompted by the assassination of President John Kennedy. Its purpose was to provide for the orderly transfer of power when the president dies, resigns or is incapacitated. So far Section 3 of the Amendment has only been used in cases where the president was physically incapacitated. President Reagan never invoked the amendment after his 1981 assassination attempt (causing some confusion when his Secretary of State asserted authority) but he did sign over power to Vice President Bush during colon surgery in 1985. It was invoked twice by President George W. Bush for short periods of time while he was sedated for a colonoscopy.

But Section 4 of the amendment has never been used and it opens up a gray area around presidential capacity. The wording leaves open the possibility that mental incapacity could become grounds for removing a president.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/25th-amendment-how-do-we-decide-whether-the-president-is-competent/

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