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Israeli security cabinet approves plan to take over Gaza City, Benjamin Netanyahu's office says

"Two Israeli human rights groups say their country is committing genocide in Gaza"

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brooklyn13, My position from the beginning that Israel has overreacted to the Oct. 7, 2023 Hamas terrorist raid is slowly being seen as the only legitimate position on this war. You have relentlessly attacked that position, yet finally the international community is taking the position you have attacked from the start.
P - Your asking me for my solution is no more than attempt at disingenuous distraction by you. And for you to say i have never posted propositions of solutions is a blatant lie. Over years i have posted many of the issue options, for decades in favor of the two state solution is one. Also others as:
P - Yep, the late Shimon Peres, though he was big on settlements, was wise when it came to Israel's future
either a democracy or a Jewish state. Ehud Barak a realist about that too. And yes, Gideon Levy
Gideon Levy: Getting Rid of Netanyahu Is Not Enough
[...]
Gideon Levy
Right now, we are in a quite hopeless moment. But if we zoom out of the current situation, we have de facto been living in one state for over fifty years now. Between the river and the sea, there is only one state. I don’t know any other. The only question that matters is its regime. You cannot be both a democratic state and a Jewish state. Israel clearly chose one aspect over the other by paying lip service to democracy while being well aware that someone who lives in Jenin or in Ramallah has no rights. So it’s simple: Israel is not a democracy.
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By Thomas Morgan in London, Luke Cooper and Middle East correspondent Matthew Doran

Friday 8 August

VIDEO - 46s - Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel intends to take control of all of Gaza.

In short:
Israel's security cabinet has approved a plan to take over Gaza City, in a major escalation of the country's war in Gaza, according to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office.

The announcement will likely see the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) move troops into Gaza City and potentially expand into other unoccupied areas, where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have fled to.

Mr Netanyahu earlier said that Israel intends to take full control of Gaza and hand it over to "Arab forces" to govern.

[ Insert: Israel rejects international criticism of Gaza City takeover plan
9 August 2025 Jaroslav Lukiv BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c207p49wrypo ]


Israel's security cabinet has approved a plan to take over Gaza City, in a major escalation of the country's war in Gaza, according to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office.

The decision on Friday marked another escalation of Israel's 22-month military offensive launched in response to Hamas's October 7, 2023, attack.

A statement from Mr Netanyahu's office also announced that the government had approved "five principles for ending the war", including the disarmament of the terror organisation Hamas, the return of Israeli hostages — living and dead — from Gaza, the demilitarisation of the strip under Israeli security control and the formation of an "alternative civilian government".


Israel's campaign in Gaza has destroyed much of the territory's built up areas. (Reuters: Dawoud Abu Alkas)

"The IDF will prepare to take control of Gaza City while providing humanitarian aid to the civilian population outside the combat zones," the statement said.

"An absolute majority of Cabinet ministers believed that the alternative plan presented to the Cabinet would not achieve the defeat of Hamas or the return of the abductees."

Mr Netanyahu's office has not confirmed when an increased military assault would begin in Gaza, according to Israeli media.

No further details have been announced, but it likely means the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will move troops into Gaza City and potentially expand into other unoccupied areas, where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have fled to.

Israel has approved a takeover of Gaza City. Here's what that could mean
While Israel's security cabinet has — for now — only approved a takeover of Gaza City,
it is still a major escalation in the war that targets the symbolic heart of Gaza.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-08/netanyahu-israel-war-cabinet-gaza-city-takeover-explained/105628256

The decision also came after Mr Netanyahu earlier told the US's Fox News that Israel had intended to take military control of Gaza and hand it over to "Arab forces" to govern.

Those comments were made moments before the prime minister was set to meet members of his security cabinet to discuss the plans for a military takeover of Gaza.

When asked if Israel wanted to take control of all of the 42-kilometre strip, he said: "We intend to."

In the interview, he added that Israel had no intention of governing Gaza, and instead wanted a "security perimeter".

"We don't want to keep it," he said. "We want to have a security perimeter. We don't want to govern it. We don't want to be there as a governing body."

"We want to hand it over to Arab forces that will govern it properly without threatening us and giving Gazans a good life. That's not possible with Hamas," he added.

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[We should never forget: Palestine Has Exposed Every Lie the West Tells the World
"Murder in the ME - More than 90 killed in Gaza strikes including journalist who just became a father
Ehud Barak: the military mastermind Israel loves to hate
[...]Israel's yearning for experienced military leaders brought him back to political life after the 2006 Lebanon war and he became minister of defence. He seems to have a feel for what motivates his enemies and was widely quoted as saying: "If I were a Palestinian I would have joined a terrorist organisation." Barak also stated during a US television interview last year that he would "probably" strive for nuclear weapons if he were in Iran's position. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=173530549
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Nor should we forget the members of terrorist groups who went on to become PM's of Israel:
Yitz?ak Shamir (born October 15, 1915, Ruzinoy, Poland, Russian Empire [now Ruzhany, Belarus]—died June 30, 2012, Tel Aviv–Yafo, Israel) was a Polish-born Zionist leader and prime minister of Israel in 1983–84 and 1986–90 (in alliance with Shimon Peres of the Labour Party) and in 1990–92.
P - Shamir joined the Beitar Zionist youth movement as a young man and studied law in Warsaw. He immigrated to Palestine in 1935 and enrolled at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. There he joined the Irgun Zvai Leumi (IZL) underground movement; and in 1940, following a policy split in the IZL, he joined the Israel Freedom Fighters (IFF), a terrorist group later known as the Stern Gang (after its founder, Abraham Stern). https://www.britannica.com/biography/Yitzhak-Shamir
.. then there was ..
From Terror to a Peace Treaty with Egypt
When Israel's Prime Minister Begin came to Oslo to receive the Peace Prize, there were such violent demonstrations against him that the award ceremony had to be moved to Akershus fortress. Begin shared the Peace Prize with Egypt's President Anwar el-Sadat for the peace treaty concluded between Israel and Egypt. The so-called Camp David Accords were negotiated under pressure from US President Jimmy Carter.
P - Menachem Begin was born in Poland, where he joined an extremist Zionist movement that wanted to establish a Jewish state in Palestine by force. During the Second World War Begin was in custody in the Soviet Union before he, with incredible luck, managed to get to Jerusalem. There he became the leader of the Irgun Zwai Leumi organization which resorted to terror both against the British authorities and against Palestine's Arab inhabitants. Irgun also fought the Israeli army until Begin accepted David Ben Gurion's supreme leadership. In 1977 Begin became Prime Minister when the conservative Likud alliance won the election.
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1978/begin/facts/
We can only wonder what the situation would be if, say before or afterthe '67 war, 58 years ago,
the Zionist leaders had recognized the Palestinian right to an independent state as promised to them in 1948.
See: By the end of the war, the State of Israel controlled all of the area that the UN had proposed for a Jewish state, as well as almost 60% of the area proposed for an Arab state,[22] including Jaffa, Lydda and Ramle area, Upper Galilee, some parts of the Negev, the west coast as far as Gaza City, and a wide strip along the Tel Aviv–Jerusalem road. Israel also took control of West Jerusalem, which was meant to be part of an international zone for Jerusalem and its environs. Transjordan took control of East Jerusalem and what became known as the West Bank, annexing it the following year. The territory known today as the Gaza Strip was occupied by Egypt.
P - Expulsions of Palestinians, which had begun during the civil war, continued during the Arab-Israeli war. Hundreds of Palestinians were killed in multiple massacres, such as occurred in the expulsions from Lydda and Ramle. These events are known today as the Nakba (Arabic for "the catastrophe") and were the beginning of the Palestinian refugee problem. A similar number of Jews moved to Israel during the three years following the war, including 260,000 who migrated, fled, or were expelled from the surrounding Arab states.[23][24][25]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War ]

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The security cabinet session followed a meeting earlier this week with the head of the military, which Israeli officials have described as tense, saying the military chief had pushed back on expanding the campaign.

In a statement, Hamas labelled Mr Netanyahu's comments "a blatant coup" against the negotiation process towards a ceasefire.

"Netanyahu's plans to expand the aggression confirm beyond any doubt that he seeks to get rid of his captives and sacrifice them," the statement said.


Israel already controls approximately three-quarters of Gaza's territory. (AP: Ohad Zwigenberg)

Mr Netanyahu did not elaborate on the governance arrangements or which Arab countries could be involved.

But a Jordanian official, in the first reaction by a main Arab neighbour to Netanyahu's comments, said: "Arabs will not be agreeing to Netanyahu's policies nor clean his mess."

The source told Reuters that Arabs "will only support what Palestinians agree and decide on".

"Security in Gaza must be done through legitimate Palestinian institutions," the official said.

In Australia, immediately after the Israeli security cabinet decision, Foreign Minister Penny Wong urged the Netanyahu government to abandon plans to occupy Gaza City and said doing so would be a violation of international law.

"Australia calls on Israel to not go down this path, which will only worsen the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza," she said in a statement.

"Permanent forced displacement is a violation of international law.

"With international partners, Australia maintains our call for a ceasefire, the return of hostages and aid to flow unimpeded.

"A two-state solution is the only pathway to secure an enduring peace — a Palestinian state and the State of Israel, living side-by-side in peace and security within internationally-recognised borders."

'Breaks you': Gazans react

News of the Netanyahu proposal to occupy Gaza quickly spread through the bombed-out streets of the strip, even before the security cabinet meeting got underway.

It stoked fear throughout a war-weary community, deeply struggling with the toll of 22 months of war.


Jaber Abu Odeh is originally from Beit Hanoun but has been forced to relocate. (ABC News )

"I live in a tent, dumped in the street, but the upcoming situation is going to be worse because of what they are capable of implementing," 35-year-old Jaber Abu Odeh told the ABC.

He is originally from Beit Hanoun in northern Gaza, but had been forced to relocate to the central areas of the strip.

"The US is with them, the West is with them,
and the world is with them,"


he said.

"They have fighter jets from above and an army from below, and from all directions."


Adel Shomali says the fear is the situation in Gaza will become worse if Netanyahu's plan is voted in. (ABC News )

Adel Shomali, 40, said the prospect of being forced to move again "breaks you".

"It's enough the displacement from the beginning of the war until the last ceasefire, and we were displaced from Gaza City to the South and then back to Gaza City," he said.

"There is fear from this situation, God willing, it won't happen.

"The fear this time is that it will become worse, and if there are new incursions, there will be more destruction."

Protesters block streets

In Jerusalem, hundreds blocked the streets outside the Prime Minister's Office in the heart of the city to protest against the expansion of the war in Gaza.

Armed with drums, whistles and horns, the crowd tried to make their voices heard as the security cabinet met inside the compound.

"We can't accept it, it does not represent me or the other people here, all that this government is doing," protester Michal Goren told the ABC.

"It's so sad, and I'm so afraid that they will take Gaza, and all the hostages will die — it's very sad, this situation."

Fellow protester Nadav Hellman said the prime minister was not listening to the community.

"I'm worried about the 50 people that are right now dying in the tunnels," he said.

"The reason for this war is for the survival of the Netanyahu coalition.

"If they make this decision, what will happen is more soldiers, young men, will die, and the people in the tunnels will also die.

"Netanyahu is a terrible person, in my
opinion."


UN says possible expansion 'deeply alarming'

Mr Netanyahu's government has faced international condemnation and growing domestic pressure to find an off-ramp to the conflict in Gaza.

IMAGE: Areas within Israeli-militarised zone and/or under displacement orders .. inside

Within Israel, Mr Netanyahu's desire for a full military occupation of Gaza has faced criticism from both senior figures in the military, as well as from the families of hostages kidnapped by Hamas.

It has been reported the prime minister is also seeking approval from the security cabinet for military operations in densely populated areas where hostages kidnapped by Hamas on October 7, 2023 are believed to be held.

Israel at present controls 75 per cent of Gaza. The United Nations has called reports about a possible expansion of Israel's military operations in Gaza "deeply alarming" if true.

Full control would also leave Israel obliged by international law to provide security and ensure the basic needs of the population are met.

Israel's internal split over plans

The ranks of the Israel Defense Forces have been struggling with burnout and fatigue as the conflict in Gaza approaches the two-year mark.

Family members of some of the Israeli hostages have set sail from Israel towards Gaza's maritime border, broadcasting their accusations via loudspeakers that Mr Netanyahu is seeking to prolong the war to satisfy far-right members of his governing coalition.

Meanwhile, the Hostages Families Forum, which represents captives held in Gaza, has urged military Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir to oppose widening the war, and the government to accept a deal that would bring the war to an end and free the remaining hostages.


Relatives and supporters of Israeli hostages held by Hamas are calling for the Netanyahu government to end the war.

But far-right members of Mr Netanyahu's coalition government appear to be pushing for the full takeover.

["appear" -- please journalists you don't have to be that fearful of lawsuits, or whatever.

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich told reporters on Wednesday that he hoped the government would approve the military taking control over the rest of Gaza at Thursday's meeting.

The war between Israel and Hamas was sparked by Hamas's attack on October 7, 2023, which killed about 1,200 people and saw another 251 hostages taken to Gaza.

More than 61,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israel's assault on Gaza, according to the Gaza health ministry, which said 98 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire across the enclave in the past 24 hours.

Israel rejects those figures from the Gaza health ministry but does not publish its own, and does not allow foreign news organisations including the ABC access to Gaza to report freely.

ABC/wires

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-08/netanyahu-says-israel-intends-to-take-all-of-gaza/105626690

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