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Re: B402 post# 507002

Thursday, 01/09/2025 11:12:46 PM

Thursday, January 09, 2025 11:12:46 PM

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B402, Guess you would have researched Shellenberger before posting his Ted talk,
so you would be well aware of stuff like the observations in these links:

Article by Michael Shellenberger mixes accurate and inaccurate claims in support
of a misleading and overly simplistic argumentation about climate change

Posted on: 2020-07-06
https://science.feedback.org/review/article-by-michael-shellenberger-mixes-accurate-and-inaccurate-claims-in-support-of-a-misleading-and-overly-simplistic-argumentation-about-climate-change/

Michael Shellenberger Mixed Up Two Guys With Sorta Similar Names And Falsely
Told His Readers — And Congress — One Of Them Might Be A Spy As A Result

Not great
Jesse Singal Nov 14, 2024
https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/michael-shellenberger-mixed-up-two

Is “Drill Everywhere” Good News for the Oil Industry?
Aug 13, 2024 By Dean Baker
https://cepr.net/publications/is-drill-everywhere-good-news-for-the-oil-industry/

Guessing that, i am surprised you would post his talk without a mention of his past transgressions. Seems he is not exactly a super reliable character. Also, in your video about 10:52 in his one mention of solar panel waste he says some experts see us ending up saddling poor countries with it as we do with so much of our waste already. He could be right in that but still he also could have tossed in the fact that many good people were working on that. See

Recycling: A Solar Panel's Life after Death (January 2025)
Written by Attila Tamas Vekony
Last updated31 October 2024
https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/2017/10/the-opportunities-of-solar-panel-recycling

And guess you know he is far from the first anti-nuclear guy to switch to 'well
maybe nuclear is a necessary ingredient after all.' Some on that point here:

The Sensible Environmentalist
Dr. Patrick Moore
http://www.ecosense.me/
[...]Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist
http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Greenpeace-Dropout-Sensible-Environmentalist/dp/0986480827
P - Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout - Dr Patrick Moore

LOL how many times have we said something like this:
“I am certain there is too much certainty in the world.”
? Michael Crichton
Dr Moore mentions the quote at 11:17 of the video, love it.
Then 12:22 "we are in an ice age, that's why both poles are covered in ice.
...Generally a cold time in terms of earth's history."
How many of your friends would say, yeah, we know that.
2015 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=115834018

OOPS: Patrick Moore: a Review of 'Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom'
Analyzing the initial five chapters of Patrick Moore's recent climate-change denial book, Notes from the Road delivers
a scathing critique, systematically debunking each chapter as a compilation of misinformation and pseudoscience.
Updated March 9, 2024

https://www.notesfromtheroad.com/roam/patrick-moore.html

Related: Will Senate Dems Block Confirmation of Climate-Denying, Torture-Backing State Dept Pick Mike Pompeo?
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=141007349

Greenpeace has copped a lot of flack over the years .. there was even one of the
founders, i think, who has gone over to a defense on nuclear as an energy source ..
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=115833641

Why is everyone so angry about generating energy?
[...]He was opposed to nuclear power for years but was then suddenly converted.
Mr Lynas says: "People are against everything these days - the only acceptable form of energy is magic. People are 'Nimby-istic', if that's a word, but if I had to have power generation close to me I'd prefer nuclear to coal or gas."
2014 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=95816050

A perfect storm of stupid
[...]Not far from Oslo, in Bonn, Germany, more than 3,000 participants from some 180 countries are gathered to plan for this December's UN climate talks in Durban, South Africa. Addressing the meeting, Tove Ryding of Greenpeace said:
P - "What we are talking about here is actually millions of green jobs, to transform our societies to energy
systems that are safe, that are stable and that are based on renewable energy and energy efficiency."
P - That move, away from fossil fuels and nuclear towards renewable energy, is being embraced now by more and more countries, especially after the Fukushima disaster.
2011 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=64091342

[...]The nuclear energy debate has been reopened here recently days by two members of Gillard's Labor
government. The party is split on the question, as the Liberal's are split on Industrial relations policy.
P - It's virtually a certainty though that nuclear is off the agenda as long as Gillard needs the Greens to stay in government.
P - Labor MPs want nuclear debate on the agenda
2010 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=57375038

Then again maybe you didn't research Shellenberger much at all, it wouldn't be the first time i'd guessed incorrectly.

It was Plato who said, “He, O men, is the wisest, who like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing”

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