Tornado Alley (PROG)

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catani, Yes, and though it doesn't make any difference now, because Israel does exist and is going to continue to exist (at least for longer than the lifetimes of any reading this), still it is necessary to face the idea that Israel had no right to exist there in the first place. What is the claim: God gave us the land. Well, give us a break, please. Yet that was the basis for the creation of a Jewish country in the middle of Muslim lands. And in some minds for the right to drive all Palestinians from the lands of the so-called God-given lands.

If only Israel could face the fact that, for there to ever be any chance of a lasting peace, God did not give them that land. And that that stance of Israel's must change.

My first thought was newmedman's 'from the river to the sea' which is used by the press to demonize Israel's opponents. And how many understand, as you do, that it was a Zionist call from the start. And still is. And there is the denial of the right of Palestinians to have their own independent state. A promise was made.

So where are we now.

Att: brooklyn13 (you can still read) -- As furious protesters take to the streets, Netanyahu may well have reached his political dead-end
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P - That would be madness in a time of peace. In a time of war — a low-grade three-front war that could become a high-grade three-front war any day — it is insane. Israel is increasingly alone, because what ally would want to partner with that agenda?
P - And that is why I agree with every word that former Prime Minister Ehud Barak wrote in Haaretz .. https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-06-13/ty-article-opinion/.premium/israel-must-oust-its-failed-government-before-it-sinks-into-the-moral-abyss/00000190-1285-d621-abfa-5bb5e9840000 .. last Thursday: Israel faces “the most serious and dangerous crisis in the country’s history. It began on Oct. 7 with the worst failure in Israel’s history. And it continued with a war that, despite the courage and sacrifice of soldiers and officers, appears to be the least successful war in its history, due to the strategic paralysis in the country’s leadership.”
P - Israel, added Barak, a former army chief of staff, is “risking a multifront war that would include Iran and its proxies. And all this is happening while in the background the judicial coup continues, with its goal of establishing a racist, ultranationalist, messianic and benighted religious dictatorship.”
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One other, and how could anyone legitimately argue against it. This Israel. This Israel:

This Israel has no future in the Middle East

"“Israel Has To Accept Proposal” Says Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak 14:16"
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In truth, I never thought Israel could have much of a future in the Middle East without shedding its colonial regime and embracing normal statehood. For a short while in the early 1990s, it seemed as if Israel was changing direction towards some form of normalcy, albeit dependent on the United States. It engaged the Palestinians and Arab states in the region in a “peace process” that promised mutual existence under favourable American auspices.

But Israel’s colonial nature dominated its behaviour at each and every turn. It wasted countless opportunities to end its occupation and live in peace with its neighbours. To paraphrase Israeli diplomat Abba Eban’s infamous quip, Israel “never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity”.

Instead of ending its occupation, it doubled down on its colonisation project in the occupied Palestinian territories. It has multiplied the number of illegal Jewish settlements and settlers on stolen Palestinian lands and networked them through special bypass roads and other planning projects, creating a dual system, a superior, dominating one for the Jews and an inferior one for the Palestinians.

As one apartheid was dismantled in South Africa, another was erected in Palestine.

In the absence of peace and in the shadow of colonisation, the country has slid further towards fascism, enshrining Jewish supremacy into its laws and extending it to all of historic Palestine, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. In no time, the fanatical and far-right parties gained momentum and took over the reins of power under the opportunistic leadership of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, undermining Israel’s own institutions, and all chances of peace based on coexistence between two peoples.
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Israel has no good options after its bad war ends. This may be its last chance to pull away from the brink, stop the war, embrace US President Joe Biden’s vision of a two-state solution, impractical as it is today, and accept America’s red lines for Gaza: no to reoccupation, no to ethnic cleansing and no to shrinking its territories. But Netanyahu, along with his fanatic coalition, who’ve long taken America for granted, have once again ignored – read rejected – America’s advice to the detriment of both sides.

Long before the war on Gaza, a leading Israeli journalist, Ari Shavit, predicted the demise of Israel “as we know it”, if it continued on the same destructive path. And last week, Ami Ayalon, a former head of Israel’s Shin Bet secret service, warned .. https://www.arabnews.pk/node/1575796/middle-east .. that the government’s war and territorial expansion will lead to “the end of Israel” as we know it. Both have written books warning Israel about the dark future ahead if it continues its occupation.

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