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brooklyn13, Whine all you want about disagreement over Israel but don't misrepresent as you did yet again there. No one has here has ever said to you that Israel is the only nation to commit atrocity. It isn't the first time you have been told that. And the information there of American complicity in the gassing of the Kurds is not nearly new to the board. It may be some sort of revelation to you but it is old information on this board.

"So, please, you smug, whiney fucking assholes, please tell us again how Israel is a uniquely, criminal apartheid state, worthy of BDS, and is committing genocide on an unheard scale (ooh, but The Intercept).
P - Oh, but it's your tax dollars - globalize the intifada!. And then these guys are proud of having served in the American military? Ignorant whiney fucking assholes!"

And, you fucking dickhead, you are the one whining. None of your new news
has been new news. Also, you are the one exuding smugness and superiority.

Any more gratuitous insult to that virulent extent of yours will, if seen, be deleted.

That said, and you better think about it as we are sick of the misrepresentation here of yours, since you are too fucking cheap to have a sub and to lazy to search this board during the Happy Hour i'm guessing you still can search here, here again is a sample to debunk, yet again, your strawman lie.

Breakfast With War Criminals
15 Apr 2009 .. By John Pilger
Limbaugh: "We have the approval of our allies. We have the approval of the UK. We have the approval
of the Australians. Do we want the approval of the Chinese? Do we want the approval of Kim Jong Il."
John Pilger is Australian.
Why do Bush and Blair continue to escape indictment for war crimes? Serbs and Sudanese dictators are far more likely to face a political court set up by the West, writes John Pilger

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Chalabi, once said he was not going to be involved in politics in Iraq. LOL, not
here, but an interview with Chalabi .. wow! .. fireworks! .. am at about 4 mins ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaLiL6bUNgQ
A couple of bits from an old one .. hmmm, it's a conservative site .. however ..

Saddam, Chalabi, and Allawi Epitomize U.S. Foreign Policy
by Jacob G. Hornberger, August 11, 2004

It would be difficult to find a better example of the moral bankruptcy and hypocrisy of U.S. foreign policy — and why it has stirred so much anger, hatred, and terrorism against the United States — than the relationship of U.S. officials with Saddam Hussein, Ahmad Chalabi, and Iyad Allawi. .. [...] ..
Initially, the designated replacement for Saddam was Ahmad Chalabi, an unsavory character if there ever was one — a Pentagon darling who U.S. officials knew had been convicted of bank fraud in Jordan. Such character flaws have never concerned the U.S. government, however, any more than Saddam’s character flaws concerned them when they were supporting him. All that matters in U.S. foreign policy is whether the dictator will do the bidding of U.S. officials.

However, Chalabi went “independent” by establishing ties with Iran and thus had to be replaced. He’s now been charged with “counterfeiting” by an Iraqi judge (who serves as part of the U.S.-appointed “temporary” regime in Iraq) and is threatened with a nice long jail term if he returns from Iran to Iraq.

The new designated U.S.-approved dictator is Iyad Allawi, a man who is reported to have committed terrorist acts (i.e., killing innocent Iraqi civilians during the Saddam regime) on behalf of the CIA.

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Obama following Bush's foreign policy?.. no ..
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Bravo to General McChrystal though for reaching out to Al Jazeera.
This shows a substantial shift in the Obama administration's direction in dealing with Arab media. .. [...]
Very glad we are getting passed the era of not talking to the part of the world we are spending a lot of time messing with.
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Three Things the CIA Is Doing to Undermine American Values
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No due process when you're droned.

It's not just that the CIA has droned four Americans, one of them intentionally, in a borderless perpetual war. It's that the CIA doesn't have to justify that decision in public. "As things stand, Obama will bequeath to his successors a worrisome precedent: without trial, the President has the right to kill any U.S. citizen who is judged, on the basis of unpublished criteria, to have become an enemy combatant," The New Yorker's Steve Coll .. http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2013/05/06/130506crbo_books_coll?currentPage=all .. explains. The Obama administration has not disclosed the criteria it uses to determine who can be droned. We don't even know if an American can be droned based on information from a single intelligence source.

Paying off the Karzai government and financing Afghan warlords.

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Tomgram: Patrick Cockburn, How to Ensure a Thriving Caliphate

"The 9 biggest myths about ISIS"
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There are extraordinary elements in the present U.S. policy in Iraq and Syria that are attracting surprisingly little attention. In Iraq, the U.S. is carrying out air strikes and sending in advisers and trainers to help beat back the advance of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (better known as ISIS) on the Kurdish capital, Erbil. The U.S. would presumably do the same if ISIS surrounds or attacks Baghdad. But in Syria, Washington’s policy is the exact opposite: there the main opponent of ISIS is the Syrian government and the Syrian Kurds in their northern enclaves. Both are under attack from ISIS, which has taken about a third of the country, including most of its oil and gas production facilities.

But U.S., Western European, Saudi, and Arab Gulf policy is to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad, which happens to be the policy of ISIS and other jihadis in Syria. If Assad goes, then ISIS will be the beneficiary, since it is either defeating or absorbing the rest of the Syrian armed opposition. There is a pretense in Washington and elsewhere that there exists a “moderate” Syrian opposition being helped by the U.S., Qatar, Turkey, and the Saudis. It is, however, weak and getting more so by the day. Soon the new caliphate may stretch from the Iranian border to the Mediterranean and the only force that can possibly stop this from happening is the Syrian army.

The reality of U.S. policy is to support the government of Iraq, but not Syria, against ISIS. But one reason that group has been able to grow so strong in Iraq is that it can draw on its resources and fighters in Syria. Not everything that went wrong in Iraq was the fault of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, as has now become the political and media consensus in the West. Iraqi politicians have been telling me for the last two years that foreign backing for the Sunni revolt in Syria would inevitably destabilize their country as well. This has now happened.

By continuing these contradictory policies in two countries, the U.S. has ensured that ISIS can reinforce its fighters in Iraq from Syria and vice versa. So far, Washington has been successful in escaping blame for the rise of ISIS by putting all the blame on the Iraqi government. In fact, it has created a situation in which ISIS can survive and may well flourish.

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Introduction to the Iraq War Essays. [A reference page. You don't need it, but anyway .. http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqintroduction.html

Introduction ..

The Iraq war is a continuation of the 9-11 and Afghanistan Wag The Dog.

American soldiers are raping, maiming, killing and torturing kids in
Iraq. This must stop. There is no compelling reason to hurt these kids.

It seems like the war has been going on forever, but it started on 2003-03-20, 7 years and 3
months ago, with the bombing of Baghdad. In this essay I hope to convince you that George W.
Bush’s sadistic killing, torture and rape of Iraq’s children is both wrong and pointless. It must stop.

"It is sort of fascinating that you can have 100 percent certainty about weapons of mass destruction and zero certainty of about where they are."
~ Dr. Hans Blix (born: 1928-06-28 age: 81), UN chief Weapons Inspector

The essential argument against the Iraq war is the same as the argument against all wars. Wars bring unimaginable suffering.
The soldiers, children, women and the elderly killed, maimed and tortured suffer. War corrodes the souls of those who do the
killing. War destroys the environment. War is extremely expensive. It takes resources away from activities that support life.

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[ light reading ] - A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

By Steve Kangas

The following timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed by the CIA. (1)

CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.
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1945

OSS is abolished — The remaining American information agencies cease covert actions and return to harmless information gathering and analysis.

Operation PAPERCLIP – While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America, unpunished, for their use against the Soviets. The most important of these is Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler’s master spy who had built up an intelligence network in the Soviet Union. With full U.S. blessing, he creates the "Gehlen Organization," a band of refugee Nazi spies who reactivate their networks in Russia. These include SS intelligence officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (who massacred Jews in the Holocaust), Klaus Barbie (the "Butcher of Lyon"), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked with Eichmann) and SS Colonel Otto Skorzeny (a personal friend of Hitler’s). The Gehlen Organization supplies the U.S. with its only intelligence on the Soviet Union for the next ten years, serving as a bridge between the abolishment of the OSS and the creation of the CIA. However, much of the "intelligence" the former Nazis provide is bogus. Gehlen inflates Soviet military capabilities at a time when Russia is still rebuilding its devastated society, in order to inflate his own importance to the Americans (who might otherwise punish him). In 1948, Gehlen almost convinces the Americans that war is imminent, and the West should make a preemptive strike. In the 50s he produces a fictitious "missile gap." To make matters worse, the Russians have thoroughly penetrated the Gehlen Organization with double agents, undermining the very American security that Gehlen was supposed to protect.
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Late 40s

Operation MOCKINGBIRD — The CIA begins recruiting American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda. The effort is headed by Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham is publisher of The Washington Post, which becomes a major CIA player. Eventually, the CIA’s media assets will include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service and more. By the CIA’s own admission, at least 25 organizations and 400 journalists will become CIA assets.

1953

Iran – CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.

Operation MK-ULTRA — Inspired by North Korea’s brainwashing program, the CIA begins experiments on mind control. The most notorious part of this project involves giving LSD and other drugs to American subjects without their knowledge or against their will, causing several to commit suicide. However, the operation involves far more than this. Funded in part by the Rockefeller and Ford foundations, research includes propaganda, brainwashing, public relations, advertising, hypnosis, and other forms of suggestion.

1954

Guatemala — CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.

1954-1958

North Vietnam — CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA’s continuing failure results in escalating American intervention, culminating in the Vietnam War.
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1957-1973

Laos — The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos’ democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Armee Clandestine" of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA’s army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.

1959

Haiti — The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the "Tonton Macoutes," who terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human rights record.

1961

The Bay of Pigs — The CIA sends 1,500 Cuban exiles to invade Castro’s Cuba. But "Operation Mongoose" fails, due to poor planning, security and backing. The planners had imagined that the invasion will spark a popular uprising against Castro -– which never happens. A promised American air strike also never occurs. This is the CIA’s first public setback, causing President Kennedy to fire CIA Director Allen Dulles.
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1975

Australia — The CIA helps topple the democratically elected, left-leaning government of Prime Minister Edward Whitlam. The CIA does this by giving an ultimatum to its Governor-General, John Kerr. Kerr, a longtime CIA collaborator, exercises his constitutional right to dissolve the Whitlam government. The Governor-General is a largely ceremonial position appointed by the Queen; the Prime Minister is democratically elected. The use of this archaic and never-used law stuns the nation.

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Damn i thought Saddam's gassing of the Kurds would be in that one.
One more different search, Halabja, i should have used first.

yeah .. it's a gas .. :(

.. everything about the Syrian situation sucks .. the 4th down in your link list ..

In Syria, America Loses if Either Side Wins
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.. i'm sorry .. it's dark .. i'm numbed .. :) .. i haven't subscribed to FP .. this looks the same story ..

Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran | Foreign Policy

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The U.S. knew Hussein was launching some of the worst chemical attacks in history -- and still gave him a hand.

BY SHANE HARRIS AND MATTHEW M. AID | AUGUST 26, 2013

The U.S. government may be considering military action in response to chemical strikes near Damascus. But a generation ago, America's military and intelligence communities knew about and did nothing to stop a series of nerve gas attacks far more devastating than anything Syria has seen,Foreign Policy has learned.

In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq's war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein's military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent.

The intelligence included imagery and maps about Iranian troop movements, as well as the locations of Iranian logistics facilities and details about Iranian air defenses. The Iraqis used mustard gas and sarin prior to four major offensives in early 1988 that relied on U.S. satellite imagery, maps, and other intelligence. These attacks helped to tilt the war in Iraq's favor and bring Iran to the negotiating table, and they ensured that the Reagan administration's long-standing policy of securing an Iraqi victory would succeed. But they were also the last in a series of chemical strikes stretching back several years that the Reagan administration knew about and didn't disclose.

U.S. officials have long denied acquiescing to Iraqi chemical attacks, insisting that Hussein's government never announced he was going to use the weapons. But retired Air Force Col. Rick Francona, who was a military attaché in Baghdad during the 1988 strikes, paints a different picture.

"The Iraqis never told us that they intended to use nerve gas. They didn't have to. We already knew," he told Foreign Policy.

According to recently declassified CIA documents and interviews with former intelligence officials like Francona, the U.S. had firm evidence of Iraqi chemical attacks beginning in 1983. At the time, Iran was publicly alleging that illegal chemical attacks were carried out on its forces, and was building a case to present to the United Nations. But it lacked the evidence implicating Iraq, much of which was contained in top secret reports and memoranda sent to the most senior intelligence officials in the U.S. government. The CIA declined to comment for this story.

In contrast to today's wrenching debate over whether the United States should intervene to stop alleged chemical weapons attacks by the Syrian government, the United States applied a cold calculus three decades ago to Hussein's widespread use of chemical weapons against his enemies and his own people. The Reagan administration decided that it was better to let the attacks continue if they might turn the tide of the war. And even if they were discovered, the CIA wagered that international outrage and condemnation would be muted.

In the documents, the CIA said that Iran might not discover persuasive evidence of the weapons' use -- even though the agency possessed it. Also, the agency noted that the Soviet Union had previously used chemical agents in Afghanistan and suffered few repercussions.

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So again, brooklyn13, fuck you and your fallacious attacks on us. There would be
at least a dozen mentions of Halabja on this board. Probably am guessing more.

In conclusion, we are totally fed up with your strawman misrepresentation crap. After all the evidence we have given you
that this board has shown no favor to atrocity no matter by whom, your continued campaign is vicious disinformation.

You are lying about the board's position on war, and on Israel.

You would also find if you cared enough to get things right, and to be fair, that there are a number of articles by Steve
Coll not dissimilar to the sentiments of the article you posted re his new book on this board. Yes, the name rang a bell.

You have become more than a critic, brooklyn13, more now a consistent poster of misinformative slander about this board on this board.

if you do not consider the falsity of your approach there is no good reason why it should be tolerated for much longer.