ron?.... are you for real?... you are so gassed up with your own B.S. you dont believe the documents, you dont believe anyone who is opposed to you..... class 19 is "impaired" from future recovery and received stock in the new company for their claims... says so right in the official documents quoted by AZ Cowboy... what is it with you man????....if you are so sure of your asseertions, then POST PROOF OF THEM, ELSE STAND DOWN FROM POSTING!!!!!!!!!........the chapter 11 is over 12 years ago, you went gaga over Libor returns then it petered out and now you go to something else.... NO ONE IS GETTING PAID ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT THEY SIGNED RELEASES FOR .... PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..give it up man, and go bird watching.... Lodas