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Yep is good he isn't more involved though he has helped Zelensky out. Erdogan/s playing a balancing
act between Putin and the West, though looks too the isn't keen on Putin's expansion plans:
Turkey Is Sending Cold War-Era Cluster Bombs to Ukraine
The artillery-fired cluster munitions could be lethal to Russian troops—and Ukrainian civilians.
By Jack Detsch and Robbie Gramer
An unexploded tail section of a 300 mm rocket, which appears to contain cluster bombs launched from a BM-30 Smerch multiple rocket launcher, is embedded in the ground after shelling on the northern outskirts of Kharkiv, Ukraine, on March 21, 2022. Sergey Bobok/AFP via Getty Images
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January 10, 2023, 2:51 PM
Turkey began sending Ukraine a form of U.S.-designed, artillery-fired cluster bomb in late 2022 after months of Kyiv pleading with the Biden administration for the munitions, current and former U.S. and European officials familiar with the decision told Foreign Policy, giving Kyiv a powerful—but controversial—weapon to destroy Russian tanks and kill troops on the battlefield.
Russia’s War in Ukraine
Understanding the conflict two years on.
https://foreignpolicy.com/projects/ukraine-russia-war-news-europe-security/
The NATO ally began sending the first batches of so-called dual-purpose improved conventional munitions (DPICMs) in November 2022, which were made during the Cold War era under a co-production agreement with the United States. The weapons are designed to destroy tanks by bursting into smaller submunitions, which can linger on the battlefield for years if they do not immediately explode. Each round scatters about 88 bomblets. The United States is barred from exporting DPICMs under U.S. law because of its high dud rate.
The move, which Turkey has sought to keep quiet for months, also highlights the high-wire act that Ankara has played throughout the conflict: supporting Ukraine with armed Bayraktar TB2 drones that helped break Russia’s advance on Kyiv and playing diplomatic middleman for the United Nations-brokered deal to export grain from the Ukrainian port of Odesa, all while purchasing Russian weapons for itself and angering NATO in the process. It was not immediately clear if the Turkish surface-to-surface weapons had been used in combat.
“After the U.S. denied [Ukraine] access to cluster munitions, Turkey was the only place they could get them,” said one source briefed on the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “It just shows how even as Turkey cozies up to Russia in some respects, it’s become a really important supporter for Ukraine militarily.”
Neither the Turkish Embassy in Washington nor the Ukrainian defense ministry responded to Foreign Policy’s request for comment. But Turkey’s delivery of DPICMs showcases how Ankara has played an outsized role in supplying weapons to Ukraine to break Russia’s full-scale invasion at critical moments in the war since Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the assault in February 2022.
The Turkish-made Bayraktar TB2 drones helped halt Russian armored convoys converging on Kyiv in the early days of the war, and they reportedly had a role in assisting Ukraine’s sinking of the Russian cruiser Moskva, then the flagship of the Black Sea fleet. Turkish analysts also believe that Turkey is quietly running a drone bridge from Corlu air base near the Bayraktar TB2 factory, where weapons are shipped to Poland and moved to Ukraine. And Turkey has walked a tight line on weapons deliveries: Even as Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his brass in Ankara have tried to keep them quiet, some of their close confidantes—including the president’s son-in-law, who is chair of the board of the company that manufactures Bayraktar TB2s—have openly championed the drone’s prowess on the battlefield.
[...]
But in Ankara, even as Erdogan faces a contentious reelection fight .. https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/01/top-global-elections-2023-nigeria-thailand-turkey-pakistan-argentina-poland-bangladesh/ .. this year with the economy beset by inflation woes, he has kept a consistent policy during Russia’s war in Ukraine, experts said. He has acted as an economic friend to the Kremlin while allying with other Black Sea states and fellow NATO members militarily against Russia. Although the Kremlin has been frustrated with Turkish military deliveries to Ukraine, Turkey has simultaneously expanded its economic ties with Russia, bucking efforts by the United States and other NATO allies to isolate Russia’s economy from world markets. Turkey has pumped the brakes on Finland and Sweden’s efforts to join the NATO alliance in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, much to the frustration of other NATO allies.
“Putin is upset. But while Turkey’s place is not ideal, it’s also not bad because there’s economic access to global markets [and] breathing room. It’s quite significant for him,” said Soner Cagaptay, director of the Turkish Research Program at the Washington Institute. “That is a sustainable status quo for Putin.”
Some within the U.S. Defense Department and on the Joint Chiefs of Staff have advocated for the move after intense lobbying from Congress and top Ukrainian officials, including Ukrainian military chief Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, dating back to the late summer. But sending the weapons has been a bridge too far after U.S. President Joe Biden announced last year that the United States would no longer produce, acquire, or replace antipersonnel mines or use them anywhere outside of the Korean Peninsula. The U.S. military has not used cluster munitions in combat since its invasion of Iraq in 2003, except for a single instance in Yemen more than a decade ago, and it has not exported the weapons since 2015. Russia, which is also not a signatory to the United Nations cluster munitions convention, has been a prolific user of the weapons since its full-scale invasion of Ukraine last February: Preliminary data cited by Human Rights Watch showed at least 689 civilian casualties from cluster munition attacks in Ukraine from February to July 2022. Ukrainian forces have used cluster munition rockets on at least two occasions.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/10/turkey-cold-war-cluster-bombs-ukraine/
Been quiet on him here lately too, this being the last .. What’s at stake in the upcoming Erdogan-Putin meeting?
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=173347922 .. in December, with looks no specific follow-up.
Erdogan is pretty much a one man show autocracy in Turkey now, still as always seems that is a bit under threat.
Good video, and good mention. It's led to a couple i'll slip up later. Thanks.
..
act between Putin and the West, though looks too the isn't keen on Putin's expansion plans:
Turkey Is Sending Cold War-Era Cluster Bombs to Ukraine
The artillery-fired cluster munitions could be lethal to Russian troops—and Ukrainian civilians.
By Jack Detsch and Robbie Gramer
An unexploded tail section of a 300 mm rocket, which appears to contain cluster bombs launched from a BM-30 Smerch multiple rocket launcher, is embedded in the ground after shelling on the northern outskirts of Kharkiv, Ukraine, on March 21, 2022. Sergey Bobok/AFP via Getty Images
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January 10, 2023, 2:51 PM
Turkey began sending Ukraine a form of U.S.-designed, artillery-fired cluster bomb in late 2022 after months of Kyiv pleading with the Biden administration for the munitions, current and former U.S. and European officials familiar with the decision told Foreign Policy, giving Kyiv a powerful—but controversial—weapon to destroy Russian tanks and kill troops on the battlefield.
Russia’s War in Ukraine
Understanding the conflict two years on.
https://foreignpolicy.com/projects/ukraine-russia-war-news-europe-security/
The NATO ally began sending the first batches of so-called dual-purpose improved conventional munitions (DPICMs) in November 2022, which were made during the Cold War era under a co-production agreement with the United States. The weapons are designed to destroy tanks by bursting into smaller submunitions, which can linger on the battlefield for years if they do not immediately explode. Each round scatters about 88 bomblets. The United States is barred from exporting DPICMs under U.S. law because of its high dud rate.
The move, which Turkey has sought to keep quiet for months, also highlights the high-wire act that Ankara has played throughout the conflict: supporting Ukraine with armed Bayraktar TB2 drones that helped break Russia’s advance on Kyiv and playing diplomatic middleman for the United Nations-brokered deal to export grain from the Ukrainian port of Odesa, all while purchasing Russian weapons for itself and angering NATO in the process. It was not immediately clear if the Turkish surface-to-surface weapons had been used in combat.
“After the U.S. denied [Ukraine] access to cluster munitions, Turkey was the only place they could get them,” said one source briefed on the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “It just shows how even as Turkey cozies up to Russia in some respects, it’s become a really important supporter for Ukraine militarily.”
Neither the Turkish Embassy in Washington nor the Ukrainian defense ministry responded to Foreign Policy’s request for comment. But Turkey’s delivery of DPICMs showcases how Ankara has played an outsized role in supplying weapons to Ukraine to break Russia’s full-scale invasion at critical moments in the war since Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the assault in February 2022.
The Turkish-made Bayraktar TB2 drones helped halt Russian armored convoys converging on Kyiv in the early days of the war, and they reportedly had a role in assisting Ukraine’s sinking of the Russian cruiser Moskva, then the flagship of the Black Sea fleet. Turkish analysts also believe that Turkey is quietly running a drone bridge from Corlu air base near the Bayraktar TB2 factory, where weapons are shipped to Poland and moved to Ukraine. And Turkey has walked a tight line on weapons deliveries: Even as Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his brass in Ankara have tried to keep them quiet, some of their close confidantes—including the president’s son-in-law, who is chair of the board of the company that manufactures Bayraktar TB2s—have openly championed the drone’s prowess on the battlefield.
[...]
But in Ankara, even as Erdogan faces a contentious reelection fight .. https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/01/top-global-elections-2023-nigeria-thailand-turkey-pakistan-argentina-poland-bangladesh/ .. this year with the economy beset by inflation woes, he has kept a consistent policy during Russia’s war in Ukraine, experts said. He has acted as an economic friend to the Kremlin while allying with other Black Sea states and fellow NATO members militarily against Russia. Although the Kremlin has been frustrated with Turkish military deliveries to Ukraine, Turkey has simultaneously expanded its economic ties with Russia, bucking efforts by the United States and other NATO allies to isolate Russia’s economy from world markets. Turkey has pumped the brakes on Finland and Sweden’s efforts to join the NATO alliance in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, much to the frustration of other NATO allies.
“Putin is upset. But while Turkey’s place is not ideal, it’s also not bad because there’s economic access to global markets [and] breathing room. It’s quite significant for him,” said Soner Cagaptay, director of the Turkish Research Program at the Washington Institute. “That is a sustainable status quo for Putin.”
Some within the U.S. Defense Department and on the Joint Chiefs of Staff have advocated for the move after intense lobbying from Congress and top Ukrainian officials, including Ukrainian military chief Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, dating back to the late summer. But sending the weapons has been a bridge too far after U.S. President Joe Biden announced last year that the United States would no longer produce, acquire, or replace antipersonnel mines or use them anywhere outside of the Korean Peninsula. The U.S. military has not used cluster munitions in combat since its invasion of Iraq in 2003, except for a single instance in Yemen more than a decade ago, and it has not exported the weapons since 2015. Russia, which is also not a signatory to the United Nations cluster munitions convention, has been a prolific user of the weapons since its full-scale invasion of Ukraine last February: Preliminary data cited by Human Rights Watch showed at least 689 civilian casualties from cluster munition attacks in Ukraine from February to July 2022. Ukrainian forces have used cluster munition rockets on at least two occasions.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/10/turkey-cold-war-cluster-bombs-ukraine/
Been quiet on him here lately too, this being the last .. What’s at stake in the upcoming Erdogan-Putin meeting?
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=173347922 .. in December, with looks no specific follow-up.
Erdogan is pretty much a one man show autocracy in Turkey now, still as always seems that is a bit under threat.
Good video, and good mention. It's led to a couple i'll slip up later. Thanks.
..
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