B402, You are more moonshine, unrealistic, utopia-minded than pragmatic observer. You sure as hell aren't in the real sense independent. Clinton had to compete for the big money. You got a lot wrong on NAFTA for example and in your mind it's always the Democrat's fault ..
"Britain’s joining CPTPP. So what the hell is it?" "No, not "Exactly" at all. You are still wrong in saying Clinton started it. And you are wrong, and have become as boring as listening to Gaetz, in your incessant knocking dems for a mindset the whole developed world was into. One that Reagan and Thatcher pushed and one that yeah, a pragmatic Clinton carried on because he felt it was good for the USA and because it was the only way he had a hope in hell of being elected. That's the reality you appear to ignore. And obviouslt Delong's points didn't make a dent into your position either. Probably because you've been repeating it ad nauseam for how many years. Even though your goddamn premise is not as solid as you feel it is. Your seemingly naive purity is what it is. You could never win an election with your positions. Life is about fucking compromise. You black-and-whiteers lend nothing to debate. Read it for sod's sake: P - NAFTA and other trade deals have not gutted American manufacturing — period" ------ add link to Delong's here Jan. 29, 2024----- https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/1/24/14363148/trade-deals-nafta-wto-china-job-loss-trump