Pacific Sands Inc (fka PFSD)

[joev2]

Again, not sure what you're referring to. Back in the day, they had like 20 million shares o/s for ages. They went up to 50 mil at some point but WAY less than had they done a floorless route. Mick avoided those games like the plague. He knew and spoke about the games so-called lenders played. He WAS going to do a small reverse split at one point and I personally begged him not to. Whether or not I had any influence, I don't know. I do know he gathered up some investors in CT and gave them a good deal (like 10% interest) so he could borrow more. THAT situation worked out for everyone...including the shareholders. As time went on though, he and the company just couldn't get both sales and margins working together in such a way to become a profitable company.