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Tuesday, 10/10/2023 4:18:48 PM

Tuesday, October 10, 2023 4:18:48 PM

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You're right. "One would think the jews would understand..." that subjecting a population to increasingly apartheid conditions for decades would inevitably invite retaliatory violence. Sadly, with Israeli governments increasingly moving to the right, one would expect in the short term at least, repression and conflict can only get worse. One positive light on the situation though is that while war has always brought Israelis together today war is also dividing them. On the other hand the idea Israel must in essence be a Jewish state is a huge impediment to it ever being a true democracy. Looking at the situation from any angle a two-state solution seems to be the only answer. Then again Israel insists on building more settlements in Palestinian territory so even today stealing even more land. It's an unjust, exploitive, unadulterated fuck-up.

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I had joined an Israel that was, for the first time, bitterly divided over the perception of threat. War had always united Israelis; now war was dividing them. Once inconceivable, huge anti-government demonstrations took place even as the Israel Defense Forces were fighting at the front. Reservists completing their month of service would return their equipment and head directly to the daily protests outside the prime minister’s residence in Jerusalem. If an external threat could no longer unite us, what would hold this fractious people together?
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No Israeli government has had more ministers convicted of crimes or under indictment. None has had such disregard for our national institutions, dismantling ministries and distributing the pieces like spoils of war. No other government has shown such disdain for basic standards of decency. No other government has declared war on the judicial system, which even the U.S. lawyer Alan Dershowitz, a Netanyahu ally, has called the gold standard that should not be tampered with.
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[ INSERT: Imagine an existence where your only claim to contribution is to breed. This 12 years old - April 14, 201110:23 PM Updated 12 years ago
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warnings that Israel’s economy may be threatened by his fast growing, often unemployed, community, he does not want a job.
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rights, opportunity and treatment, or the practice of this principle". Keep this in mind, as we'll be coming back to it shortly.
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Most Israeli Jews, including committed democrats, regard the state’s Jewish identity as fundamental to its existence, perhaps even more than its democratic identity. After all, many democracies have experienced authoritarian phases and not only continued to exist as nations but eventually recovered their democratic identity. But an Israel stripped of its Jewishness would lose its reason for being, its internal cohesion, and the vitality that has enabled it to survive in a region hostile to its existence.
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