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brooklyn13, Aboriginal or not surely both should have equal right to critique what they see as injustice anywhere. I don't see either should be denied the right, unless they are an abuser themselves, or clearly an enabler. I don't see it reasonable to suggest every citizen of an abusive nation is an enabler. A supporter of an individual as Trump it's fair to see as an enabler of all he represents.

" I have no standing to be resentful about institutions aiding minority successes. [...] If you
want the context of a discussion about Israel to be limited to Israel, then it has no context. "

Your first bit there is similar to my position in Australia. To your 2nd bit, do you really see that injustices in other countries must be introduced in
every discussion about racial injustice in the USA? It doesn't happen, does it. It isn't needed for context. Context enough is the situation in the USA.

As to an apartheid label. I agree the situation in Israel does not deserve it in it's entirety. At the same time
it is clearly not reasonable to label every critic of Israel as antisemitic. Not saying you do, just saying.

Arab party leader in Israel rejects 'apartheid' label

The head of an Arab party in Israel says he would not use the word “apartheid” to describe the situation inside the country

By JOSEPH KRAUSS Associated Press
February 11, 2022, 7:41 AM


FILE - Leader of the United Arab List Mansour Abbas attends a Knesset session in Jerusalem Sunday, June 13, 2021. The head of an
Arab party in Israel who made history la... The Associated Press

JERUSALEM -- The head of an Arab party in Israel who made history last year by joining the governing coalition said Thursday he would not use the word “apartheid” to describe relations between Jews and Arabs within the country.

Amnesty International last week joined two other well-known human rights groups in saying that Israel's policies toward the Palestinians within its borders and in the occupied territories amounts to apartheid. Israel rejects those allegations as antisemitic, saying that, among other things, they ignore the rights and freedoms enjoyed by its Arab citizens.

“I would not call it apartheid,” Mansour Abbas said in response to a question at an online event organized by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a D.C-based think tank. He noted that he was in the coalition and could join the government itself if he wanted to.

“I prefer to describe the reality in objective ways,” he added, according to the English translation of his remarks, which he delivered in Hebrew. "If there is discrimination in a certain field, then we will say that there is discrimination in that specific field.”

He did not say whether he thinks the term applies to the occupied West Bank, where more than 2.5 million Palestinians live under Israeli military rule alongside nearly 500,000 Jewish settlers with Israeli citizenship. Israel captured the territory in the 1967 Mideast war, and the Palestinians want it to form the main part of their future state.

Abbas heads the United Arab List, known in Hebrew as Ra'am, a small Islamist party that gave crucial support to the coalition now governing Israel, which includes parties from across the political spectrum.

Arabs make up some 20% of Israel's population of nearly 9.5 million. They have citizenship, including the right to vote, and have a major presence in the medical profession and universities, among other fields. But they face widespread discrimination.

They have close familial ties to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and largely identify with their cause. Historically, they refused to join coalitions and were not invited to do so.

The rights groups say Israel only grants citizenship to a minority of the Palestinians under its control in an overarching system designed to ensure a Jewish majority in as much of the Holy Land as possible.

[Insert: brooklyn13, Seems to me it is incorrect for you to say -- "I don't agree with this bill, but your maps are deceiving....
[...] conix, So you bring back the age-old, anti-free debate idea that you cannot be critical of Zionist (non-democratic) Israel without being antisemitic. It's a cheap effort to distract from the antidemocratic efforts of the clearly and fairly seen fascist tendencies of Trump's GOP. Some repeated on that at bottom.
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Israel’s 1952 Citizenship Law at its outset notes that the state grants citizenship via four routes: (1) “return,” (2) “residence in Israel,” (3) birth, and (4) naturalization.[572] Israel reserves the first path, “return,” exclusively for Jews. This path grows out of the 1950 “Law of Return,” which guarantees Jewish citizens of other countries the right to settle in Israel.[573] The Citizenship Law states that Jews already living in Israel at the time gain citizenship via this path, as opposed to the “residence in Israel” one.
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Israel views such allegations as an assault on its very existence, saying its policies are designed to ensure the survival and well-being of the world's only Jewish state.

[As a Jewish state. That is one of the real rubs. A Jewish claim to a Biblical right to
a Jewish state should, imo, be seen as clearly illegitimate. What do you say to that?]

Abbas said he's focused on bringing Jews and Arabs together to address social and economic challenges.

“I'm usually trying not to be judgmental, I'm not trying to say you're racist or the state is racist, or this is an apartheid state or not an apartheid state,” Abbas said. “My role as a political leader is to try to bridge the gaps.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/arab-party-leader-israel-rejects-apartheid-label-82807363