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Wednesday, 09/21/2022 8:35:44 PM

Wednesday, September 21, 2022 8:35:44 PM

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Why Doesn’t China Invade Taiwan?

"Why Superpower Crises Are a Good Thing
"China blocks some Taiwan imports but avoids chip disruptions
"Too concerned re Pelosi visit? -- China angered after Taiwan opens diplomatic office in Lithuania""
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Related: Looks like Biden's unhesitating 'yes' had the desired effect on China.
Pelley pressed further, "So, unlike Ukraine, to be clear, sir, U.S. forces, U.S. men and women, would defend Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion?"
"Yes," Biden replied.

China dials down Taiwan rhetoric; US, Canada transit strait
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Putin is Putin. Xi is Xi. Russia ex Soviet Union. China minus Taiwan. China by my very limited understanding of the situation has more claim to Taiwan than Russia has to Ukraine. Just i don't see Xi feeling as threatened as Putin says he was. That lie, or not. And i don't see Xi trying to recreate a disintegrated setup as people see Putin wanting to do. And i see Xi being happier with the Taiwan situation as it is than Putin was with his Ukraine fears. Right or wrong i just don't see the parallels with Taiwan and Ukraine as some others seem to see.
You're totally right on the question of arms sales. The whole scene is means good money for many. Lotsa jobs involved too. wink
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Despite Beijing’s rhetoric, a full-scale invasion remains a risky endeavor—and officials think the island can be coerced into reunification.

By James Palmer, a deputy editor at Foreign Policy.


A Taiwanese military outpost is seen beyond anti-landing spikes along the coast in Kinmen, Taiwan, on Aug. 10. SAM YEH/AFP via Getty Images

August 10, 2022, 5:20 PM

Welcome to Foreign Policy’s China Brief.

The highlights this week: China has plenty of reasons not to invade Taiwan—despite official rhetoric, Beijing pauses some cooperation with Washington, and 80,000 Chinese vacationers are trapped on a locked-down tropical island.

Invading Taiwan Is Still Too Risky

China officially ended its live-fire military exercises around Taiwan this week, but its Taiwan Affairs Office has issued a white paper .. http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2022-08/10/content_10177232.htm .. emphasizing “peaceful reunification” with the self-ruled island—while reserving the right to use force. It looks like dramatic escalation in response to U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan .. https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/03/china-pelosi-taiwan-trip-response-social-media-military/ .. can be ruled out, even as aggressive Chinese intrusions across the median line in the Taiwan Strait become the new normal.

In the aftermath of Pelosi’s visit, it’s worth considering just why China doesn’t invade Taiwan, despite near-constant threats to do so. There are a few factors that keep things from kicking off in the Taiwan Strait.

First, there is China’s hope that Taiwan will return to the mainland without war. Polls in Taiwan make that seem like a fantasy: Just 2 percent .. https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7804&id=6960 .. of Taiwanese identify solely as Chinese, a figure that has fallen from 25 percent a decade ago, thanks to generational change and Beijing’s aggression and crackdowns on human rights. Most .. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2022/02/07/why-is-unification-so-unpopular-in-taiwan-its-the-prc-political-system-not-just-culture/ .. of the Taiwanese public holds negative views of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), and Beijing’s destruction of legal freedoms in Hong Kong turned the “one-country, two systems” principle into a joke.

But it’s possible that Chinese leaders have convinced themselves Taiwan’s return might happen: The white paper paints the Taiwanese public as deceived by the ruling Democratic Progressive Party and the West, and China’s ambassador to Australia has said .. https://twitter.com/Rory_Medcalf/status/1557208913116016644 .. the polls are misleading. Chinese officials lie about their own system so regularly, they assume that others do the same. Furthermore, the Taiwan Affairs Office also can’t be honest even internally about its own failure to woo Taiwanese to the idea of reunification, because it would expose itself.

[Insert: There is something the Trump administration and Chinese officials have (had) in common.
Below it's noted China is more anti-pseudoscience than the Trump administration ever was.]


Perhaps more likely: The CCP leadership thinks it may be able to force Taiwan to surrender through coercion and subversion rather than outright war. The CCP has spent a lot of time and money building ties with groups in Taiwan, from the once-ruling Kuomintang to organized crime .. https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2021/04/26/2003756353 . As I argued last week, Chinese leaders also hold out for the possibility of U.S. collapse .. https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/03/china-pelosi-taiwan-trip-response-social-media-military/ , leaving Taiwan without its main protector.

Even if Beijing rules out peaceful reunification, the risks that would accompany an invasion are very high. There is no guarantee of Chinese success if it invades Taiwan, even without direct U.S. intervention. China hasn’t fought an actual war for 43 years, since its failed invasion .. https://thediplomat.com/2017/02/the-bitter-legacy-of-the-1979-china-vietnam-war/ .. of Vietnam in 1979; although it has invested heavily in its military, it has had no opportunity to test its doctrine or technologies.

Despite Chinese claims that an invasion would be quick and easy, it would be an amphibious attack of an unprecedented scale against a Taiwanese opponent that has prepared for the scenario for decades .. https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/09/25/taiwan-can-win-a-war-with-china/ —even if it faces its own morale and logistical problems .. https://scholars-stage.org/why-i-fear-for-taiwan/ .

Then there are the geopolitical risks of an invasion, most importantly the possibility of full-scale war with the United States. On the one hand, a faction within Chinese military academia genuinely believes invading Taiwan could demonstrate superior will and push the United States out of the Asia-Pacific region. There are certainly questions .. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2022/06/01/but-can-the-united-states-defend-taiwan/ .. about how willing Washington would be to go to war and if it could defend Taiwan. On the other, no one in Beijing wants to suffer a humiliating defeat at the hands of the world’s most powerful military—or for the world to end in nuclear flames.

Putting the United States aside, an invasion of Taiwan would destroy China’s claims that it is a peaceful power—and with them Beijing’s relations with Tokyo, which has strong ties to Taipei. At least at first, a conquered Taiwan could not be sealed off from the world like Tibet or Xinjiang, where atrocities can remain somewhat hidden. Even if China cut off Taiwan’s internet, the island is high-tech enough to get out images of war or occupation that would damage China’s reputation.

Relatedly, an invasion could be followed by an economic recession at home. Southern China’s economy is entangled with Taiwanese suppliers and capital .. https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/14/taiwan-china-econonomic-codependence/ , which would be ruined by a war. Technology firms such as Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. have scorched-earth plans in place for their factories in the event of an invasion, and talent would flee wherever possible. The West’s financial muscle .. https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/22/russia-economy-sanctions-myths-ruble-business/ .. exerted over Russia’s war in Ukraine has also caused concern in Beijing, even though extensive sanctions on China would cause much more damage to the global economy.

Finally—and perhaps most potent—is the political risk of invading Taiwan.
There are few scenarios where mass protests and public rage could overwhelm China’s extensive systems of control, and the humiliation that would come with a failed invasion of Taiwan is one of them. China has successfully sold .. https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/05/china-really-isnt-joking-about-taiwan/ .. the idea that reunification with Taiwan is just and inevitable and that military triumph would be easy—something that much of the public believes passionately. That magnifies the risks of failure.

Nationalism, overconfidence, fear .. https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/14/china-decline-dangers/ , and stupidity are powerful forces in global affairs. [WOW. Sure are!] But for the moment at least, the massive risk of China invading Taiwan—along with the assumption that the island can still be strong-armed into submission—work against the likelihood of war.

What We’re Following

China breaks off some U.S. ties.
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U.S. pushes for Pacific island embassies.
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Tech and Business
Promoting pseudoscience.
The Chinese government has suspended the social media accounts of major e-health provider DXY, one of few reliable sources for health information in China. The company seemingly faces government action for questioning Beijing’s promotion of traditional Chinese medicine—a dangerous pseudoscience as practiced in the mainland—to fight COVID-19. Industry experts have plagiarized or falsified research papers, and medicines promoted as herbal often contain unlabeled quantities of conventional drugs, such as steroids.

More - https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/10/china-taiwan-invasion-reunification-risk/

Good to see Xi's people exhibiting more of a social conscience in the medical pseudoscience arena than either Trump or some in his administration had.

Hmm, i have one other...no, will put in in full in reply.

It was Plato who said, “He, O men, is the wisest, who like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing”

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