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Top article. And much thanks for posting it in full, the Economist has a solid sub wall i haven't breached yet.
"The AUKUS squad
The strategic reverberations of the AUKUS deal will be big and lasting
A profound geopolitical shift is happening"
The piece pretty well covers the situation from all angles, and accurately. And yes, sadly yet again we have 'the way the deal was made' (as re the Afghanistan withdrawal) necessarily raises it's ugly head. From Australia's side, keeping the Aukus development from France, as per detail (none) we have so far, seems to have sucked big time. Friends need to treat each other with more transparency and respect. Unfortunately consideration of that side of the coin is not one of Morrison's strongest traits. And as per form he blames France for not seeing it coming.
‘Deep and grave concerns’: French should have seen sub decision coming, PM says
By Shane Wright and Nick Bonyhady
Updated September 19, 2021 — 9.04pmfirst published at 6.05pm
179
France should have been aware Australia was prepared to break a $90 billion deal to build conventionally powered attack submarines, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has suggested, despite Paris’ accusation that the Canberra-Washington move was treacherous and brutal.
As Defence Minister Peter Dutton said the broader arrangement under the trilateral relationship with Britain and the United States was aimed at ensuring enemies “think twice” about attacking Australia, the Prime Minister defended the decision to break the contract with France as in the national interest.
IMAGE Prime Minister Scott Morrison says France should have known Australia
was reconsidering the $90 billion submarine deal. Credit: Edwina Pickles
Paris has recalled its ambassadors to Australia and the United States .. https://www.smh.com.au/link/follow-20170101-p58ssk .. over the decision by Canberra to abandon its deal with France’s Naval Group to build 12 submarines. Australia will instead buy at least eight nuclear-powered submarines, most likely from the United States, as part of the security partnership with Britain.
Mr Morrison, who held talks with French leader Emmanuel Macron about the submarines in June, said Australia’s concerns about the Naval Group boats were well known.
He said he could understand France’s disappointment, but added he had always been clear that Australia would act in its own strategic interests.
“I think they would have had every reason to know that we have deep and grave concerns that the capability being delivered by the attack class submarine was not going to meet our strategic interests and we had made very clear that we would be making a decision based on our strategic national interest,” Mr Morrison said.
“Ultimately this was a decision about whether the submarines that were being built at great cost to the Australian taxpayer were going to be able to do a job that we needed it to do when they went into service.
“Our strategic judgment based on the best possible of intelligence and defence advice was that it would not, and so therefore to go forward when we are able to secure a supreme submarine capability to support our defence operations, it would have been negligent for us not to.”
Mr Morrison said he had told Mr Macron of Australia’s decision on the evening before it was announced.
But France’s Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, in a sign of the rupture between Paris and Canberra, used public television to label the decision as “duplicity, disdain and lies”.
The recalling of its ambassadors “signifies the force of the crisis today” between the French government and Washington and Canberra, he said in an interview on France 2 television.
IMAGE - French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian says Australia
and the US have betrayed France with the submarine deal. Credit: AFP
Mr Le Drian denied reports there had been advance consultations with France ahead of the announcement, saying “this isn’t true”.
“(Allies) don’t treat each other with such brutality, such unpredictability, a major partner like France ... So there really is a crisis. There are reasons for us to question the strength of our alliance,” he said.
The French ambassador to Australia, Jean-Pierre Thebault, said before he left the country that he had been at the meeting between Mr Macron and Mr Morrison in June.
He said the Australian Prime Minister had mentioned “there were changes in the regional situation” but gave no indication it was about to abandon the French contract.
IMAGE - Australia’s new submarines based on US tech may not be in operation until the late 2030s.
[INSERT: Repeat, hope we are all still here to see the first one on board. LOL
]
“Everything was supposed to be done in full transparency between the two partners,” he said.
A spokesman for Mr Morrison said later the ambassador was not at the meeting as it was dinner between the Prime Minister and Mr Macron.
Outside the submarines decision, the new Australia-UK-US agreement also provides for advanced technology such as long-range hypersonic missiles and undersea drones. More US Marine troop deployments in Australia are also likely.
Analysis
Australia’s foreign policy is getting clumsy and arrogant
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-s-foreign-policy-is-getting-clumsy-and-arrogant-20210918-p58ssr.html
Mr Dutton said the risk of the local power industry or internet banking being shut down by overseas actors was very real, arguing the agreement with Britain and America would boost Australia’s chances to retaliate.
“We need to make sure that we’ve got the defences in place but also the offensive capacity as well to be able to strike back so that people have to think twice about attacking us,” he told Sky News.
“It provides a deterrence and it also provides us with the ability, given we’re an island nation we’ve got choke points to the north approaches ... (that) need to be dealt with, and so there are a range of capabilities that we could use to strike again at extremists.”
Labor foreign affairs spokeswoman Penny Wong accused Mr Morrison of failing to take responsibility for the deterioration in relations between Australia and France.
“I think we’ve seen overnight, very concerning developments in that bilateral relationship, which is an important relationship for Australia and for the region,” she said.
“Mr Morrison loves announcements. And he’s so obsessed with announcements, he doesn’t take responsibility for doing the whole job. He hasn’t taken responsibility when it comes to preparing the groundwork with important partners, like France.“
with AP
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deep-and-grave-concerns-french-should-have-seen-sub-decision-coming-20210919-p58syv.html
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"The US must talk to North Korea – not threaten war"
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Jan, 2018 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=137627069
The Legacy of Obama’s “Pivot” to Asia
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May, 2013 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=87970115
Pentagon releases report on China's military
[...]
Some, i guess, will say the "improved military-to-military relationship between the two countries"
is proof that, Obama, is communist...
Aug. 2011 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=66552173
Edit: U.S. Pledges to Stand With Seoul ‘Always’
May, 2010 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=50595107
"The AUKUS squad
The strategic reverberations of the AUKUS deal will be big and lasting
A profound geopolitical shift is happening"
The piece pretty well covers the situation from all angles, and accurately. And yes, sadly yet again we have 'the way the deal was made' (as re the Afghanistan withdrawal) necessarily raises it's ugly head. From Australia's side, keeping the Aukus development from France, as per detail (none) we have so far, seems to have sucked big time. Friends need to treat each other with more transparency and respect. Unfortunately consideration of that side of the coin is not one of Morrison's strongest traits. And as per form he blames France for not seeing it coming.
‘Deep and grave concerns’: French should have seen sub decision coming, PM says
By Shane Wright and Nick Bonyhady
Updated September 19, 2021 — 9.04pmfirst published at 6.05pm
179
France should have been aware Australia was prepared to break a $90 billion deal to build conventionally powered attack submarines, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has suggested, despite Paris’ accusation that the Canberra-Washington move was treacherous and brutal.
As Defence Minister Peter Dutton said the broader arrangement under the trilateral relationship with Britain and the United States was aimed at ensuring enemies “think twice” about attacking Australia, the Prime Minister defended the decision to break the contract with France as in the national interest.
IMAGE Prime Minister Scott Morrison says France should have known Australia
was reconsidering the $90 billion submarine deal. Credit: Edwina Pickles
Paris has recalled its ambassadors to Australia and the United States .. https://www.smh.com.au/link/follow-20170101-p58ssk .. over the decision by Canberra to abandon its deal with France’s Naval Group to build 12 submarines. Australia will instead buy at least eight nuclear-powered submarines, most likely from the United States, as part of the security partnership with Britain.
Mr Morrison, who held talks with French leader Emmanuel Macron about the submarines in June, said Australia’s concerns about the Naval Group boats were well known.
He said he could understand France’s disappointment, but added he had always been clear that Australia would act in its own strategic interests.
“I think they would have had every reason to know that we have deep and grave concerns that the capability being delivered by the attack class submarine was not going to meet our strategic interests and we had made very clear that we would be making a decision based on our strategic national interest,” Mr Morrison said.
“Ultimately this was a decision about whether the submarines that were being built at great cost to the Australian taxpayer were going to be able to do a job that we needed it to do when they went into service.
“Our strategic judgment based on the best possible of intelligence and defence advice was that it would not, and so therefore to go forward when we are able to secure a supreme submarine capability to support our defence operations, it would have been negligent for us not to.”
Mr Morrison said he had told Mr Macron of Australia’s decision on the evening before it was announced.
But France’s Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, in a sign of the rupture between Paris and Canberra, used public television to label the decision as “duplicity, disdain and lies”.
The recalling of its ambassadors “signifies the force of the crisis today” between the French government and Washington and Canberra, he said in an interview on France 2 television.
IMAGE - French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian says Australia
and the US have betrayed France with the submarine deal. Credit: AFP
Mr Le Drian denied reports there had been advance consultations with France ahead of the announcement, saying “this isn’t true”.
“(Allies) don’t treat each other with such brutality, such unpredictability, a major partner like France ... So there really is a crisis. There are reasons for us to question the strength of our alliance,” he said.
The French ambassador to Australia, Jean-Pierre Thebault, said before he left the country that he had been at the meeting between Mr Macron and Mr Morrison in June.
He said the Australian Prime Minister had mentioned “there were changes in the regional situation” but gave no indication it was about to abandon the French contract.
IMAGE - Australia’s new submarines based on US tech may not be in operation until the late 2030s.
[INSERT: Repeat, hope we are all still here to see the first one on board. LOL
] “Everything was supposed to be done in full transparency between the two partners,” he said.
A spokesman for Mr Morrison said later the ambassador was not at the meeting as it was dinner between the Prime Minister and Mr Macron.
Outside the submarines decision, the new Australia-UK-US agreement also provides for advanced technology such as long-range hypersonic missiles and undersea drones. More US Marine troop deployments in Australia are also likely.
Analysis
Australia’s foreign policy is getting clumsy and arrogant
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-s-foreign-policy-is-getting-clumsy-and-arrogant-20210918-p58ssr.html
Mr Dutton said the risk of the local power industry or internet banking being shut down by overseas actors was very real, arguing the agreement with Britain and America would boost Australia’s chances to retaliate.
“We need to make sure that we’ve got the defences in place but also the offensive capacity as well to be able to strike back so that people have to think twice about attacking us,” he told Sky News.
“It provides a deterrence and it also provides us with the ability, given we’re an island nation we’ve got choke points to the north approaches ... (that) need to be dealt with, and so there are a range of capabilities that we could use to strike again at extremists.”
Labor foreign affairs spokeswoman Penny Wong accused Mr Morrison of failing to take responsibility for the deterioration in relations between Australia and France.
“I think we’ve seen overnight, very concerning developments in that bilateral relationship, which is an important relationship for Australia and for the region,” she said.
“Mr Morrison loves announcements. And he’s so obsessed with announcements, he doesn’t take responsibility for doing the whole job. He hasn’t taken responsibility when it comes to preparing the groundwork with important partners, like France.“
with AP
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deep-and-grave-concerns-french-should-have-seen-sub-decision-coming-20210919-p58syv.html
See also:
Waning of American Power? Trump Struggles With an Asia in Crisis
"Trump has been saying all week that he’s not a racist.
And then he does this speaking at a fundraiser last night.
P [ Trump also made fun of US allies South Korea, Japan and the European
Union — mimicking Japanese and Korean accents — and talked about his love of dictators Kim Jong Un and the current ruler of Saudi Arabia."
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=150508461
What Would War with North Korea Look Like?
"The US must talk to North Korea – not threaten war"
.. nor should fear-mongering right-wing pushers as Alex Jones feed crap about looming war with North Korea ..
Jan, 2018 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=137627069
The Legacy of Obama’s “Pivot” to Asia
Sept, 2016 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=124957376
Ben Carson: "If the Lord grabbed me by the collar and made me do it, I would."
May, 2013 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=87970115
Pentagon releases report on China's military
[...]
Some, i guess, will say the "improved military-to-military relationship between the two countries"
is proof that, Obama, is communist...
Aug. 2011 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=66552173
Edit: U.S. Pledges to Stand With Seoul ‘Always’
May, 2010 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=50595107
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