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Monday, May 24, 2021 4:59:58 AM
Da Kine 17, Still more no-evidence conspiracy garbage from you. Not going to bother with any more than your first one
Archived fact-check: Tucker Carlson guest airs debunked conspiracy theory that COVID-19 was created in a lab
Editor’s note, May 17, 2021: When this fact-check was first published in September 2020, PolitiFact’s sources included researchers who asserted the SARS-CoV-2 virus could not have been manipulated. That assertion is now more widely disputed. For that reason, we are removing this fact-check from our database pending a more thorough review. Currently, we consider the claim to be unsupported by evidence and in dispute. The original fact-check in its entirety is preserved below for transparency and archival purposes. Read our May 2021 report .. https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/17/debating-origins-covid-19-virus-what-we-know-what-/ .. for more on the origins of the virus that causes COVID-19.
Li-Meng Yan
https://www.politifact.com/li-meng-yan-fact-check/
As for your first source
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/independent-sentinel/
which i wouldn't be so suspicious of if your link ..
https://www.independentsentinel.com/now-we-have-a-pretty-clear-idea-of-where-cov-originated/ .. didn't lead to stuff there is still no evidence to support.
Ok, one more. Fauci in saying he is not sure is only saying, as the rest of us, 'How will we ever know for certain.' The only ones confident enough to speak with certainty are you conspiracy people pushing the view there is least evidence for.
To that end an excerpt from the link in my first bit above:
Debating the origins of the COVID-19 virus: What we know, what we don’t know
National China Corrections and Updates Science Coronavirus
Security personnel gather near the entrance of the Wuhan Institute of Virology during a visit by the World Health Organization team in
Wuhan in China's Hubei province, Feb. 3, 2021. (AP)
By Tom Kertscher May 17, 2021 Noah Y. Kim By Noah Y. Kim May 17, 2021
If Your Time is short
* Scientists who have studied the coronavirus have generally concluded that it resembles naturally occurring viruses. But researchers are paying more attention to the possibility that the virus somehow leaked from the lab, though there’s still nothing conclusive.
* Scientists have different definitions of “gain of function” research. Researchers at the Wuhan lab used reverse genetics on bat coronaviruses to create viruses not found in nature. Some of this research was funded by a grant provided by the National Institutes of Health. However, there’s no evidence that this research led to the creation of SARS-CoV-2.
* Sen. Rand Paul, who attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci over the pandemic, and other critics have suggested that the U.S. played a role in making the pandemic worse. Fauci and others have denied that. They’ve also called for more investigation of what happened in China, because the origins of the outbreak remain unclear.
Confronting Dr. Anthony Fauci at a Senate committee hearing on the COVID-19 pandemic, Sen. Rand Paul argued that the United States collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to make a more deadly coronavirus.
The Kentucky Republican made the explosive allegation the day after Fox News talk show host Tucker Carlson made another far-reaching accusation, stating that a recent article "makes it clear that, more than any other single living American, Tony Fauci is responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic."
"Dr. Fauci, we don't know whether the pandemic started in a lab in Wuhan or evolved naturally, but we should want to know," Paul said in a Senate hearing. "To arrive at the truth, the U.S. government should admit that the Wuhan Virology Institute was experimenting to enhance the coronavirus' ability to infect humans.
"Juicing up super-viruses is not new," Paul continued. "Scientists in the U.S. have long known how to mutate animal viruses to infect humans. For years, Dr. Ralph Baric, a virologist in the U.S., has been collaborating with Dr. Shi Zhengli of the Wuhan Virology Institute, sharing his discoveries about how to create super-viruses. This gain-of-function research has been funded by the NIH."
Fauci, director of the NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the federal government’s leading voice on COVID-19, rebutted Paul by saying: "The NIH and NIAID categorically have not funded gain-of-function research to be conducted in the Wuhan Institute of Virology."
In an interview with PolitiFact at United Facts of America: A Festival of Fact-Checking shortly after the hearing, Fauci called Paul’s accusation "preposterous."
"He was saying we funded a kind of research in China that could lead to dangerous research; that’s not the case. So, what he was saying was just absolutely not true," Fauci said.
Fauci added: "So, in a very minor collaboration, as part of a subcontract of a grant, we had a collaboration with some Chinese scientists. And what he conflated is that therefore we were involved in creating the virus, which is the most ridiculous, majestic leap I’ve ever heard of."
Asked if he was confident the virus developed naturally, Fauci said, "I think that we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we find out, to the best of our ability, exactly what happened. ... I’m perfectly in favor of any investigation that looks into the origin of the virus."
While there is no hard evidence that the COVID-19 virus was developed in a lab, the Wuhan lab did use reverse genetics on bat coronaviruses, which some scientists believe fits the definition of gain-of-function research.
Proponents of this form of study, which involves forcing the evolution of a pathogen, sometimes to boost its infectivity and lethality, say it helps researchers spot potential threats to human health and allows them to figure out ways to tackle a new virus. Critics claim that the practice constitutes a massive biosafety risk.
The conversation around gain-of-function gathered new momentum from an 11,000-word article, posted on Medium on May 2, by Nicholas Wade, a former science writer and editor for the New York Times. It argues that evidence is stronger that the virus leaked from a lab than that it occurred naturally.
Officials and researchers are also paying more attention to the possibility that the virus somehow leaked from the lab. But there’s still nothing conclusive.
"Ultimately, without any proper and thorough investigation having been conducted, the origins of COVID-19 remain a completely open question," said Nikolai Petrovsky, director of endocrinology at Flinders Medical Centre and professor of medicine at Flinders University in Australia.
Here’s a look at what we know and don’t know about the origin of the virus that produced COVID-19.
Basis for Paul’s attack: Wuhan research
The basis for Paul’s attack is federal funding for a 2014 project at the lab in Wuhan, the city where the coronavirus outbreak was first documented. PolitiFact has previously looked into unproven claims about U.S. research funding and the lab.
In 2014, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the NIH arm that Fauci heads, awarded a $3.4 million grant to the New York-based EcoHealth Alliance, which aims to protect people from viruses that jump from species to species. The alliance has projects across 30 countries, including Thailand, Vietnam and China.
The group hired the virology lab in Wuhan to conduct genetic analyses of bat coronaviruses collected in Yunnan province, about 800 miles southwest of Wuhan. The research was considered crucial in part because coronaviruses had previously emerged in China and begun to spread among humans. EcoHealth Alliance paid the lab $598,500 over five years. The lab had secured approval from both the U.S. State Department and the NIH.
Fauci has advocated for gain-of-function research in the past. In a 2011 article he co-wrote for the Washington Post, he promoted it as a means to study influenza viruses.
All parties involved in the grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology have denied that it involved gain-of-function research. The grant was approved in May 2014. Five months later, the Obama administration announced it would not fund new projects that involved gain-of-function research, citing safety and security risks, though there’s an exception in the moratorium that allows it for research "urgently necessary to protect public health or national security."
Early in the pandemic, the consensus among public health experts was that the COVID-19 coronavirus evolved naturally in a bat and jumped to humans through an intermediary species. But since then, amid calls by Fauci and others for deeper investigation of what happened in China, scientists have publicly raised questions about whether a virus was collected at the Wuhan lab and then escaped. Those questions remain unanswered.
More attention is being paid to two key questions about the origin of this coronavirus:
* Could the virus have leaked from a lab?
* Did gain-of-function research create SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19?
Lab-leak theory
So far, there is no hard proof to support either the theory that the virus had natural origins or the theory that it leaked from a lab, said Richard Ebright, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Rutgers University, who has frequently been cited by proponents of the lab-leak hypothesis, including Paul.
Continued - https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/17/debating-origins-covid-19-virus-what-we-know-what-/
Archived fact-check: Tucker Carlson guest airs debunked conspiracy theory that COVID-19 was created in a lab
Editor’s note, May 17, 2021: When this fact-check was first published in September 2020, PolitiFact’s sources included researchers who asserted the SARS-CoV-2 virus could not have been manipulated. That assertion is now more widely disputed. For that reason, we are removing this fact-check from our database pending a more thorough review. Currently, we consider the claim to be unsupported by evidence and in dispute. The original fact-check in its entirety is preserved below for transparency and archival purposes. Read our May 2021 report .. https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/17/debating-origins-covid-19-virus-what-we-know-what-/ .. for more on the origins of the virus that causes COVID-19.
Li-Meng Yan
https://www.politifact.com/li-meng-yan-fact-check/
As for your first source
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/independent-sentinel/
which i wouldn't be so suspicious of if your link ..
https://www.independentsentinel.com/now-we-have-a-pretty-clear-idea-of-where-cov-originated/ .. didn't lead to stuff there is still no evidence to support.
Ok, one more. Fauci in saying he is not sure is only saying, as the rest of us, 'How will we ever know for certain.' The only ones confident enough to speak with certainty are you conspiracy people pushing the view there is least evidence for.
To that end an excerpt from the link in my first bit above:
Debating the origins of the COVID-19 virus: What we know, what we don’t know
National China Corrections and Updates Science Coronavirus
Security personnel gather near the entrance of the Wuhan Institute of Virology during a visit by the World Health Organization team in
Wuhan in China's Hubei province, Feb. 3, 2021. (AP)
By Tom Kertscher May 17, 2021 Noah Y. Kim By Noah Y. Kim May 17, 2021
If Your Time is short
* Scientists who have studied the coronavirus have generally concluded that it resembles naturally occurring viruses. But researchers are paying more attention to the possibility that the virus somehow leaked from the lab, though there’s still nothing conclusive.
* Scientists have different definitions of “gain of function” research. Researchers at the Wuhan lab used reverse genetics on bat coronaviruses to create viruses not found in nature. Some of this research was funded by a grant provided by the National Institutes of Health. However, there’s no evidence that this research led to the creation of SARS-CoV-2.
* Sen. Rand Paul, who attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci over the pandemic, and other critics have suggested that the U.S. played a role in making the pandemic worse. Fauci and others have denied that. They’ve also called for more investigation of what happened in China, because the origins of the outbreak remain unclear.
Confronting Dr. Anthony Fauci at a Senate committee hearing on the COVID-19 pandemic, Sen. Rand Paul argued that the United States collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to make a more deadly coronavirus.
The Kentucky Republican made the explosive allegation the day after Fox News talk show host Tucker Carlson made another far-reaching accusation, stating that a recent article "makes it clear that, more than any other single living American, Tony Fauci is responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic."
"Dr. Fauci, we don't know whether the pandemic started in a lab in Wuhan or evolved naturally, but we should want to know," Paul said in a Senate hearing. "To arrive at the truth, the U.S. government should admit that the Wuhan Virology Institute was experimenting to enhance the coronavirus' ability to infect humans.
"Juicing up super-viruses is not new," Paul continued. "Scientists in the U.S. have long known how to mutate animal viruses to infect humans. For years, Dr. Ralph Baric, a virologist in the U.S., has been collaborating with Dr. Shi Zhengli of the Wuhan Virology Institute, sharing his discoveries about how to create super-viruses. This gain-of-function research has been funded by the NIH."
Fauci, director of the NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the federal government’s leading voice on COVID-19, rebutted Paul by saying: "The NIH and NIAID categorically have not funded gain-of-function research to be conducted in the Wuhan Institute of Virology."
In an interview with PolitiFact at United Facts of America: A Festival of Fact-Checking shortly after the hearing, Fauci called Paul’s accusation "preposterous."
"He was saying we funded a kind of research in China that could lead to dangerous research; that’s not the case. So, what he was saying was just absolutely not true," Fauci said.
Fauci added: "So, in a very minor collaboration, as part of a subcontract of a grant, we had a collaboration with some Chinese scientists. And what he conflated is that therefore we were involved in creating the virus, which is the most ridiculous, majestic leap I’ve ever heard of."
Asked if he was confident the virus developed naturally, Fauci said, "I think that we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we find out, to the best of our ability, exactly what happened. ... I’m perfectly in favor of any investigation that looks into the origin of the virus."
While there is no hard evidence that the COVID-19 virus was developed in a lab, the Wuhan lab did use reverse genetics on bat coronaviruses, which some scientists believe fits the definition of gain-of-function research.
Proponents of this form of study, which involves forcing the evolution of a pathogen, sometimes to boost its infectivity and lethality, say it helps researchers spot potential threats to human health and allows them to figure out ways to tackle a new virus. Critics claim that the practice constitutes a massive biosafety risk.
The conversation around gain-of-function gathered new momentum from an 11,000-word article, posted on Medium on May 2, by Nicholas Wade, a former science writer and editor for the New York Times. It argues that evidence is stronger that the virus leaked from a lab than that it occurred naturally.
Officials and researchers are also paying more attention to the possibility that the virus somehow leaked from the lab. But there’s still nothing conclusive.
"Ultimately, without any proper and thorough investigation having been conducted, the origins of COVID-19 remain a completely open question," said Nikolai Petrovsky, director of endocrinology at Flinders Medical Centre and professor of medicine at Flinders University in Australia.
Here’s a look at what we know and don’t know about the origin of the virus that produced COVID-19.
Basis for Paul’s attack: Wuhan research
The basis for Paul’s attack is federal funding for a 2014 project at the lab in Wuhan, the city where the coronavirus outbreak was first documented. PolitiFact has previously looked into unproven claims about U.S. research funding and the lab.
In 2014, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the NIH arm that Fauci heads, awarded a $3.4 million grant to the New York-based EcoHealth Alliance, which aims to protect people from viruses that jump from species to species. The alliance has projects across 30 countries, including Thailand, Vietnam and China.
The group hired the virology lab in Wuhan to conduct genetic analyses of bat coronaviruses collected in Yunnan province, about 800 miles southwest of Wuhan. The research was considered crucial in part because coronaviruses had previously emerged in China and begun to spread among humans. EcoHealth Alliance paid the lab $598,500 over five years. The lab had secured approval from both the U.S. State Department and the NIH.
Fauci has advocated for gain-of-function research in the past. In a 2011 article he co-wrote for the Washington Post, he promoted it as a means to study influenza viruses.
All parties involved in the grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology have denied that it involved gain-of-function research. The grant was approved in May 2014. Five months later, the Obama administration announced it would not fund new projects that involved gain-of-function research, citing safety and security risks, though there’s an exception in the moratorium that allows it for research "urgently necessary to protect public health or national security."
Early in the pandemic, the consensus among public health experts was that the COVID-19 coronavirus evolved naturally in a bat and jumped to humans through an intermediary species. But since then, amid calls by Fauci and others for deeper investigation of what happened in China, scientists have publicly raised questions about whether a virus was collected at the Wuhan lab and then escaped. Those questions remain unanswered.
More attention is being paid to two key questions about the origin of this coronavirus:
* Could the virus have leaked from a lab?
* Did gain-of-function research create SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19?
Lab-leak theory
So far, there is no hard proof to support either the theory that the virus had natural origins or the theory that it leaked from a lab, said Richard Ebright, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Rutgers University, who has frequently been cited by proponents of the lab-leak hypothesis, including Paul.
Continued - https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/17/debating-origins-covid-19-virus-what-we-know-what-/
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