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Wednesday, January 27, 2021 5:03:18 PM
hookrider, if the Deep State (DS) took Trump out, that would create revolution. Like the real stuff. You may not know there is a repressed reservoir of Trump support (really) of some 70 percent. Repeat: 70, maybe even as high as 90 percent! The DS don't want revolution. They want peace. They can manipulate the populace more easily. Think about it. It wouldn't be easy to put millions of Americans in internment camps in the midst of armed insurrection. You understand, eh.
"A little logic for Q thinkers."
LOL. Seriously, i have no idea what a QAnonite would say to your logic, but that could be a start.
I read once too that Trump was actually a DS agent all the while. That could come into their answer to you.
Moving on, thanks to you i've just discovered QAnon is recruiting our old friends the Sovereign Citizens into their scene.
QAnon Believers Are Pushing New Trump Conspiracy Theories on TikTok
New theories that Trump will be sworn in as the 19th president on March 4th are swirling on social media
By EJ Dickson January 25, 2021 4:27PM ET
Graham Hughes/The Canadian Press/AP
Over the past few months, as conspiracy theories have circulated regarding the election results and President Joe Biden’s inauguration, social platforms have struggled to keep up with the onslaught of misinformation. Much of these false narratives have been driven by believers of the QAnon conspiracy theory, the baseless idea that President Trump is lying in wait to expose a secret cabal of Democrats engaged in a child sex-trafficking ring. Inauguration Day was supposed to mark the “storm,” or the day of reckoning when Trump would arrest all of his enemies and send them to Guantanamo Bay; when the storm never arrived, many QAnon believers were left angry and confused .. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/qanon-joe-biden-inauguration-donald-trump-1116733/ .
In the week since the inauguration, QAnon believers have struggled to reconcile their worldview with the reality that Biden is president, in many cases coming up with new, increasingly bizarre theories to support their belief that Trump will soon take office once again. TikTok, which has a younger-skewing user base and has historically struggled to curb the proliferation of conspiracy theories .. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/tiktok-conspiracy-theories-bill-gates-microchip-vaccine-996394/ , is one social platform currently playing host to the baseless belief that President Trump will be sworn into office on March 4th, 2021.
Under hashtags like #19thpresident (which has more than 235,000 views), or #march4th (which has more than 1.4 million views) TikTok users are propagating the idea that an obscure 1871 act made the United States a corporation and not a federal government, thus rendering any laws passed after that year moot and U.S. citizens not subject to them. According to this theory, the United States will revert back to its original form on March 4th .. https://www.vice.com/en/article/88akpx/qanon-thinks-trump-will-become-president-again-on-march-4 , the date when presidents were inaugurated prior to the 1933 passage of the 20th amendment. They believe Trump will be sworn in as the 19th president of the United States. (The 18th president, Ulysses S. Grant, served between 1869 and 1877, or the time period when those who cling to this theory believe the United States “became” a “corporation.”)
One video linking to a YouTube video that promotes this belief has more than 44,000 views; another, featuring a woman claiming “in March, President Trump will be the original president under the US Constitution,” has more than 442,000 views. Some conspiracy theorists point to the presence of National Guard troops .. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/national-guard-march-washington-dc/index.html .. in Washington, D.C. until March as “evidence” to support this theory, or cite the fact that FederalRegister.gov, a database of federal register documents, is not yet listing Biden’s approved executive orders as “evidence” that his administration is a sham.
“Listen, patriots, y’all can relax. We’re going back to a republic come March. Trump will be back in the presidency but he will be the 19th president ’cause we’re not gonna be a corporation no more. We’re going back to the republic,” one TikTok creator says in a video that has also been duetted by other Trump supporters. “Your boy will be inaugurated March 4. Period, point blank, end of story,” says another TikTok creator with more than 78,000 followers, in a video that has 15,400 views.
In response to a request for comment, a TikTok spokesperson said: “TikTok stands firmly against the disinformation and violence perpetuated by QAnon. We remove content and accounts that promote QAnon and redirect searches and hashtags to our Community Guidelines. We continually update our safeguards with misspellings and new phrases as we work to keep TikTok a safe and authentic place for our community.” The spokesperson added that hashtags like #itsnotover and #19th president have been directed to TikTok community guidelines and that it would remove any posts disseminating misinformation associated with #march4.
This conspiracy theory stems from the principles of the sovereign citizen .. https://www.rollingstone.com/t/sovereign-citizen/ .. movement, a fringe movement predicated on a slew of bizarre legal interpretations and theories aimed at “proving” that U.S. citizens are not subject to any laws passed after 1871. There has historically been some minor overlap between the sovereign citizen movement and the QAnon community, says Mike Rothschild, a QAnon expert and author of the book World’s Worst Conspiracies. ” These are people who think that through legal chicanery they can free themselves of U.S. laws and open up huge bank accounts that only they can access,” he says. “These ideas aren’t a million miles from Q, or from the affinity frauds that led up to it. It’s all about believing yourself [to be] above the law and special and ‘chosen’ in ways that normal law-abiding citizens don’t know about.”
With Biden’s inauguration and Trump officially out of the White House, however, the connection between the two groups appears to have strengthened. The events of last week, says Rothschild, have “sent these people scrambling for ways to put themselves outside the bounds of what the US government can do to them….the most important thing is that it’s BS and more kicking of the can down the road.”
The increasing convergence of the two groups is concerning, to say the least, says Aoife Gallagher, an extremism expert and analyst at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. “The sovereign citizen movement is inherently anti-government and pushing these theories only furthers the belief within the QAnon community of a ‘deep state’ secretly controlling the world and could certainly push people further down the extremism rabbit hole,” she says.
In recent weeks, numerous big tech platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have made public efforts to remove QAnon believers from their platforms. As Rolling Stone previously reported .. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/tiktok-conspiracy-theories-bill-gates-microchip-vaccine-996394/ , such deplatforming has led to adherents of the theory scrambling to less moderated platforms such as Telegram, an encrypted messaging app where sovereign citizen theories are currently thriving. “Biden is the president of the corporation not of our Republic. Act of 1871,” says one commenter on a QAnon Telegram thread where an elaborate summary of the sovereign citizen theory was recently posted.
TikTok has also made a concerted effort to deplatform conspiracy theorists, tightening its crackdown on QAnon with a mass purge of accounts last October. “They’ve banned hashtags and have made efforts to stop purposefully misspelled workarounds on the platform,” says Gallagher. “In saying that, QAnon content is still racking up thousands of views on the platform as they come up with more ways to avoid detection,” such as purposefully misspelling QAnon-related hashtags or hijacking existing, unrelated ones. And as the conspiracy theories trying to make sense of a Trump-free White House evolve and become more convoluted, so too do the platforms need to evolve in trying to prevent them from taking root.
All links - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/qanon-conspiracy-theories-trump-tiktok-1118668/
Sorry this post has become lengthier than planned.
On peeking back this 2009 post was the first snagged.
Right-Wing Militias Haven't Always Been Racist -- But That May Be Changing
By Larry Keller, Southern Poverty Law Center. Posted August 14, 2009.
There are growing signs that militias are on the rise again. This
time, many of their partisans are angry at Blacks and Latinos.
In Pensacola, Fla., retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson tells a gathering of antigovernment "Patriots" that the federal government has set up 1,000 internment camps across the country and is storing 30,000 guillotines and a half-million caskets in Atlanta. They're there for the day the government finally declares martial law and moves in to round up or kill American dissenters, he says. "They're going to keep track of all of us, folks," Gunderson warns.
Outside Atlanta, a so-called "American Grand Jury" issues an "indictment" of Barack Obama for fraud and treason because, the panel concludes, he wasn't born in the United States and is illegally occupying the office of president. Other sham "grand juries" around the country follow suit.
And on the site in Lexington, Mass., where the opening shots of the Revolutionary War were fired in 1775, members of Oath Keepers, a newly formed group of law enforcement officers, military men and veterans, "muster" on April 19 to reaffirm their pledge to defend the U.S. Constitution. "We're in perilous times perhaps far more perilous than in 1775," says the man administering the oath. April 19 is the anniversary not only of the battle of Lexington Green, but also of the 1993 conflagration at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, and the lethal bombing two years later of the Oklahoma City federal building -- seminal events in the lore of the extreme right, in particular the antigovernment Patriot movement.
Almost 10 years after it seemed to disappear from American life, there are unmistakable signs of a revival of what in the 1990s was commonly called the militia movement. From Idaho to New Jersey and Michigan to Florida, men in khaki and camouflage are back in the woods, gathering to practice the paramilitary skills they believe will be needed to fend off the socialistic troops of the "New World Order."
One big difference from the militia movement of the 1990s is that the face of the federal government -- the enemy that almost all parts of the extreme right see as the primary threat to freedom -- is now black. And the fact that the president is an African American has injected a strong racial element into even those parts of the radical right, like the militias, that in the past were not primarily motivated by race hate. Contributing to the racial animus have been fears on the far right about the consequences of Latino immigration.
Militia rhetoric is being heard widely once more, often from a second generation of ideologues, and conspiracy theories are being energetically revived or invented anew. "Paper terrorism" -- the use of property liens, bogus legal documents and "citizens' grand juries" to attack enemies and, sometimes, reap illegal fortunes -- is again proliferating, to the point where the government has set up special efforts to rein in so-called "tax defiers" and to track threats against judges. What's more, Patriot fears about the government are being amplified by a loud new group of ostensibly mainstream media commentators and politicians.
It's not 1996 all over again, or 1997 or 1998. Although there has been a remarkable rash of domestic terrorist incidents since Obama's election in November, it has not reached the level of criminal violence, attempted terrorist attacks and white-hot language that marked the militia movement at its peak. But militia training events, huge numbers of which are now viewable on YouTube videos, are spreading. One federal agency estimates that 50 new militia training groups have sprung up in less than two years. Sales of guns and ammunition have skyrocketed amid fears of new gun control laws, much as they did in the 1990s.
The situation has many authorities worried. Militiamen, white supremacists, anti-Semites, nativists, tax protesters and a range of other activists of the radical right are cross-pollinating and may even be coalescing. In the words of a February report from law enforcement officials in Missouri, a variety of factors have combined recently to create "a lush environment for militia activity."
"You're seeing the bubbling [of antigovernment sentiment] right now," says Bart McEntire, who has infiltrated racist hate groups and now is the supervisory special agent for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Roanoke, Va. "You see people buying into what they're saying. It's primed to grow. The only thing you don't have to set it on fire is a Waco or Ruby Ridge."
Another federal law enforcement official knowledgeable about militia groups agrees. He asked not to be identified because he is not authorized to speak publicly about them. "They're not at the level we saw in '94-'95," he says. "But this is the most significant growth we've seen in 10 to 12 years. All it's lacking is a spark. I think it's only a matter of time before you see threats and violence."
Shots, Plots and 'Sovereigns'
In fact, threats and violence from the radical right already are accelerating (see last section of this report, a list of 75 domestic terrorist plots and rampages since 1995). In recent months, men with antigovernment, racist, anti-Semitic or pro-militia views have allegedly committed a series of high-profile murders -- including the killings of six law enforcement officers since April.
Most of these recent murders and plots seem to have been at least partially prompted by Obama's election. One man "very upset" with the election of America's first black president was building a radioactive "dirty bomb"; another, a Marine, was planning to assassinate Obama, as were two racist skinheads in Tennessee; still another angry at the election and said to be interested in joining a militia killed two sheriff's deputies in Florida. A man in Pittsburgh who feared Jews and gun confiscations murdered three police officers. Near Boston, a white man angered by the alleged "genocide" of his race shot to death two African immigrants and intended to murder as many Jews as possible. An 88-year-old neo-Nazi killed a guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. And an abortion physician in Kansas was murdered by a man steeped in the ideology of the "sovereign citizens" movement.
So-called sovereign citizens are people who subscribe to an ideology, originated by the anti-Semitic Posse Comitatus of the 1980s, that claims that whites are a higher kind of citizen -- subject only to "common law," not the dictates of the government -- while blacks are mere "14th Amendment citizens" who must obey their government masters. Although not all sovereigns subscribe to or even know about the theory's racist basis, most contend that they do not have to pay taxes, are not subject to most laws, and are not citizens of the United States.
Authorities and anecdotal evidence suggest that sovereign citizens -- who, along with tax protesters and militia members, form the larger Patriot movement -- may make up the most dramatically reenergized sector of the radical right. In February, the FBI launched a national operation targeting white supremacists and "militia/sovereign citizen extremist groups" after noting an upsurge in such organizations, The Wall Street Journal reported. The aim is to gather intelligence about "this emerging threat," according to an FBI memo cited by the newspaper.
Increasingly, sovereign citizens are claiming they aren't subject to income taxes...
[...]
Oath Keepers, the military and police organization that was formed earlier this year and held its April muster on Lexington Green, may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival. Members vow to fulfill the oaths to the Constitution that they swore while in the military or law enforcement. "Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and we will not obey unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and immoral orders," the group says. Oath Keepers lists 10 orders its members won't obey, including two that reference U.S. concentration camps.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=40727864
See also:
2009 - ...F6, she was a wonderful lady .. tough, sensitive, caring, open, free as one could be, courageous, true to her country .. read a few while watching Road To Perdition .. .. swore without being obscene, not mean minded at all, gentle, rough, sensitive .. a true Liberal who let fly with all those multi facts of her consciousness .. wonderful .. funny .. feet planted firmly on the ground .. lol .. a couple which caught my eye, for now ..
[...]
Molly Ivins, God bless her big heart, warned us about Ron Paul over a decade ago. Her coverage of this 1996 Texas congressional races included this prescient precis:
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=44222796
2011 - Electoral Extremism: 23 Candidates on the Radical Right
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=60784570
Sovereign citizen - I have a theory, which is mine .. Rational Wiki - Sovereign citizen
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=73242746
It looks our Sovereign Citizen interest peaked around 2012 ..
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/msgsearchbymember.aspx?searchID=78758&srchyr=2012&SearchStr=%22sovereign+citizen%22
"A little logic for Q thinkers."
LOL. Seriously, i have no idea what a QAnonite would say to your logic, but that could be a start.
I read once too that Trump was actually a DS agent all the while. That could come into their answer to you.
Moving on, thanks to you i've just discovered QAnon is recruiting our old friends the Sovereign Citizens into their scene.
QAnon Believers Are Pushing New Trump Conspiracy Theories on TikTok
New theories that Trump will be sworn in as the 19th president on March 4th are swirling on social media
By EJ Dickson January 25, 2021 4:27PM ET
Graham Hughes/The Canadian Press/AP
Over the past few months, as conspiracy theories have circulated regarding the election results and President Joe Biden’s inauguration, social platforms have struggled to keep up with the onslaught of misinformation. Much of these false narratives have been driven by believers of the QAnon conspiracy theory, the baseless idea that President Trump is lying in wait to expose a secret cabal of Democrats engaged in a child sex-trafficking ring. Inauguration Day was supposed to mark the “storm,” or the day of reckoning when Trump would arrest all of his enemies and send them to Guantanamo Bay; when the storm never arrived, many QAnon believers were left angry and confused .. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/qanon-joe-biden-inauguration-donald-trump-1116733/ .
In the week since the inauguration, QAnon believers have struggled to reconcile their worldview with the reality that Biden is president, in many cases coming up with new, increasingly bizarre theories to support their belief that Trump will soon take office once again. TikTok, which has a younger-skewing user base and has historically struggled to curb the proliferation of conspiracy theories .. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/tiktok-conspiracy-theories-bill-gates-microchip-vaccine-996394/ , is one social platform currently playing host to the baseless belief that President Trump will be sworn into office on March 4th, 2021.
Under hashtags like #19thpresident (which has more than 235,000 views), or #march4th (which has more than 1.4 million views) TikTok users are propagating the idea that an obscure 1871 act made the United States a corporation and not a federal government, thus rendering any laws passed after that year moot and U.S. citizens not subject to them. According to this theory, the United States will revert back to its original form on March 4th .. https://www.vice.com/en/article/88akpx/qanon-thinks-trump-will-become-president-again-on-march-4 , the date when presidents were inaugurated prior to the 1933 passage of the 20th amendment. They believe Trump will be sworn in as the 19th president of the United States. (The 18th president, Ulysses S. Grant, served between 1869 and 1877, or the time period when those who cling to this theory believe the United States “became” a “corporation.”)
One video linking to a YouTube video that promotes this belief has more than 44,000 views; another, featuring a woman claiming “in March, President Trump will be the original president under the US Constitution,” has more than 442,000 views. Some conspiracy theorists point to the presence of National Guard troops .. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/national-guard-march-washington-dc/index.html .. in Washington, D.C. until March as “evidence” to support this theory, or cite the fact that FederalRegister.gov, a database of federal register documents, is not yet listing Biden’s approved executive orders as “evidence” that his administration is a sham.
“Listen, patriots, y’all can relax. We’re going back to a republic come March. Trump will be back in the presidency but he will be the 19th president ’cause we’re not gonna be a corporation no more. We’re going back to the republic,” one TikTok creator says in a video that has also been duetted by other Trump supporters. “Your boy will be inaugurated March 4. Period, point blank, end of story,” says another TikTok creator with more than 78,000 followers, in a video that has 15,400 views.
In response to a request for comment, a TikTok spokesperson said: “TikTok stands firmly against the disinformation and violence perpetuated by QAnon. We remove content and accounts that promote QAnon and redirect searches and hashtags to our Community Guidelines. We continually update our safeguards with misspellings and new phrases as we work to keep TikTok a safe and authentic place for our community.” The spokesperson added that hashtags like #itsnotover and #19th president have been directed to TikTok community guidelines and that it would remove any posts disseminating misinformation associated with #march4.
This conspiracy theory stems from the principles of the sovereign citizen .. https://www.rollingstone.com/t/sovereign-citizen/ .. movement, a fringe movement predicated on a slew of bizarre legal interpretations and theories aimed at “proving” that U.S. citizens are not subject to any laws passed after 1871. There has historically been some minor overlap between the sovereign citizen movement and the QAnon community, says Mike Rothschild, a QAnon expert and author of the book World’s Worst Conspiracies. ” These are people who think that through legal chicanery they can free themselves of U.S. laws and open up huge bank accounts that only they can access,” he says. “These ideas aren’t a million miles from Q, or from the affinity frauds that led up to it. It’s all about believing yourself [to be] above the law and special and ‘chosen’ in ways that normal law-abiding citizens don’t know about.”
With Biden’s inauguration and Trump officially out of the White House, however, the connection between the two groups appears to have strengthened. The events of last week, says Rothschild, have “sent these people scrambling for ways to put themselves outside the bounds of what the US government can do to them….the most important thing is that it’s BS and more kicking of the can down the road.”
The increasing convergence of the two groups is concerning, to say the least, says Aoife Gallagher, an extremism expert and analyst at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. “The sovereign citizen movement is inherently anti-government and pushing these theories only furthers the belief within the QAnon community of a ‘deep state’ secretly controlling the world and could certainly push people further down the extremism rabbit hole,” she says.
In recent weeks, numerous big tech platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have made public efforts to remove QAnon believers from their platforms. As Rolling Stone previously reported .. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/tiktok-conspiracy-theories-bill-gates-microchip-vaccine-996394/ , such deplatforming has led to adherents of the theory scrambling to less moderated platforms such as Telegram, an encrypted messaging app where sovereign citizen theories are currently thriving. “Biden is the president of the corporation not of our Republic. Act of 1871,” says one commenter on a QAnon Telegram thread where an elaborate summary of the sovereign citizen theory was recently posted.
TikTok has also made a concerted effort to deplatform conspiracy theorists, tightening its crackdown on QAnon with a mass purge of accounts last October. “They’ve banned hashtags and have made efforts to stop purposefully misspelled workarounds on the platform,” says Gallagher. “In saying that, QAnon content is still racking up thousands of views on the platform as they come up with more ways to avoid detection,” such as purposefully misspelling QAnon-related hashtags or hijacking existing, unrelated ones. And as the conspiracy theories trying to make sense of a Trump-free White House evolve and become more convoluted, so too do the platforms need to evolve in trying to prevent them from taking root.
All links - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/qanon-conspiracy-theories-trump-tiktok-1118668/
Sorry this post has become lengthier than planned.
On peeking back this 2009 post was the first snagged.
Right-Wing Militias Haven't Always Been Racist -- But That May Be Changing
By Larry Keller, Southern Poverty Law Center. Posted August 14, 2009.
There are growing signs that militias are on the rise again. This
time, many of their partisans are angry at Blacks and Latinos.
In Pensacola, Fla., retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson tells a gathering of antigovernment "Patriots" that the federal government has set up 1,000 internment camps across the country and is storing 30,000 guillotines and a half-million caskets in Atlanta. They're there for the day the government finally declares martial law and moves in to round up or kill American dissenters, he says. "They're going to keep track of all of us, folks," Gunderson warns.
Outside Atlanta, a so-called "American Grand Jury" issues an "indictment" of Barack Obama for fraud and treason because, the panel concludes, he wasn't born in the United States and is illegally occupying the office of president. Other sham "grand juries" around the country follow suit.
And on the site in Lexington, Mass., where the opening shots of the Revolutionary War were fired in 1775, members of Oath Keepers, a newly formed group of law enforcement officers, military men and veterans, "muster" on April 19 to reaffirm their pledge to defend the U.S. Constitution. "We're in perilous times perhaps far more perilous than in 1775," says the man administering the oath. April 19 is the anniversary not only of the battle of Lexington Green, but also of the 1993 conflagration at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, and the lethal bombing two years later of the Oklahoma City federal building -- seminal events in the lore of the extreme right, in particular the antigovernment Patriot movement.
Almost 10 years after it seemed to disappear from American life, there are unmistakable signs of a revival of what in the 1990s was commonly called the militia movement. From Idaho to New Jersey and Michigan to Florida, men in khaki and camouflage are back in the woods, gathering to practice the paramilitary skills they believe will be needed to fend off the socialistic troops of the "New World Order."
One big difference from the militia movement of the 1990s is that the face of the federal government -- the enemy that almost all parts of the extreme right see as the primary threat to freedom -- is now black. And the fact that the president is an African American has injected a strong racial element into even those parts of the radical right, like the militias, that in the past were not primarily motivated by race hate. Contributing to the racial animus have been fears on the far right about the consequences of Latino immigration.
Militia rhetoric is being heard widely once more, often from a second generation of ideologues, and conspiracy theories are being energetically revived or invented anew. "Paper terrorism" -- the use of property liens, bogus legal documents and "citizens' grand juries" to attack enemies and, sometimes, reap illegal fortunes -- is again proliferating, to the point where the government has set up special efforts to rein in so-called "tax defiers" and to track threats against judges. What's more, Patriot fears about the government are being amplified by a loud new group of ostensibly mainstream media commentators and politicians.
It's not 1996 all over again, or 1997 or 1998. Although there has been a remarkable rash of domestic terrorist incidents since Obama's election in November, it has not reached the level of criminal violence, attempted terrorist attacks and white-hot language that marked the militia movement at its peak. But militia training events, huge numbers of which are now viewable on YouTube videos, are spreading. One federal agency estimates that 50 new militia training groups have sprung up in less than two years. Sales of guns and ammunition have skyrocketed amid fears of new gun control laws, much as they did in the 1990s.
The situation has many authorities worried. Militiamen, white supremacists, anti-Semites, nativists, tax protesters and a range of other activists of the radical right are cross-pollinating and may even be coalescing. In the words of a February report from law enforcement officials in Missouri, a variety of factors have combined recently to create "a lush environment for militia activity."
"You're seeing the bubbling [of antigovernment sentiment] right now," says Bart McEntire, who has infiltrated racist hate groups and now is the supervisory special agent for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Roanoke, Va. "You see people buying into what they're saying. It's primed to grow. The only thing you don't have to set it on fire is a Waco or Ruby Ridge."
Another federal law enforcement official knowledgeable about militia groups agrees. He asked not to be identified because he is not authorized to speak publicly about them. "They're not at the level we saw in '94-'95," he says. "But this is the most significant growth we've seen in 10 to 12 years. All it's lacking is a spark. I think it's only a matter of time before you see threats and violence."
Shots, Plots and 'Sovereigns'
In fact, threats and violence from the radical right already are accelerating (see last section of this report, a list of 75 domestic terrorist plots and rampages since 1995). In recent months, men with antigovernment, racist, anti-Semitic or pro-militia views have allegedly committed a series of high-profile murders -- including the killings of six law enforcement officers since April.
Most of these recent murders and plots seem to have been at least partially prompted by Obama's election. One man "very upset" with the election of America's first black president was building a radioactive "dirty bomb"; another, a Marine, was planning to assassinate Obama, as were two racist skinheads in Tennessee; still another angry at the election and said to be interested in joining a militia killed two sheriff's deputies in Florida. A man in Pittsburgh who feared Jews and gun confiscations murdered three police officers. Near Boston, a white man angered by the alleged "genocide" of his race shot to death two African immigrants and intended to murder as many Jews as possible. An 88-year-old neo-Nazi killed a guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. And an abortion physician in Kansas was murdered by a man steeped in the ideology of the "sovereign citizens" movement.
So-called sovereign citizens are people who subscribe to an ideology, originated by the anti-Semitic Posse Comitatus of the 1980s, that claims that whites are a higher kind of citizen -- subject only to "common law," not the dictates of the government -- while blacks are mere "14th Amendment citizens" who must obey their government masters. Although not all sovereigns subscribe to or even know about the theory's racist basis, most contend that they do not have to pay taxes, are not subject to most laws, and are not citizens of the United States.
Authorities and anecdotal evidence suggest that sovereign citizens -- who, along with tax protesters and militia members, form the larger Patriot movement -- may make up the most dramatically reenergized sector of the radical right. In February, the FBI launched a national operation targeting white supremacists and "militia/sovereign citizen extremist groups" after noting an upsurge in such organizations, The Wall Street Journal reported. The aim is to gather intelligence about "this emerging threat," according to an FBI memo cited by the newspaper.
Increasingly, sovereign citizens are claiming they aren't subject to income taxes...
[...]
Oath Keepers, the military and police organization that was formed earlier this year and held its April muster on Lexington Green, may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival. Members vow to fulfill the oaths to the Constitution that they swore while in the military or law enforcement. "Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and we will not obey unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and immoral orders," the group says. Oath Keepers lists 10 orders its members won't obey, including two that reference U.S. concentration camps.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=40727864
See also:
2009 - ...F6, she was a wonderful lady .. tough, sensitive, caring, open, free as one could be, courageous, true to her country .. read a few while watching Road To Perdition .. .. swore without being obscene, not mean minded at all, gentle, rough, sensitive .. a true Liberal who let fly with all those multi facts of her consciousness .. wonderful .. funny .. feet planted firmly on the ground .. lol .. a couple which caught my eye, for now ..
[...]
Molly Ivins, God bless her big heart, warned us about Ron Paul over a decade ago. Her coverage of this 1996 Texas congressional races included this prescient precis:
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=44222796
2011 - Electoral Extremism: 23 Candidates on the Radical Right
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=60784570
Sovereign citizen - I have a theory, which is mine .. Rational Wiki - Sovereign citizen
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It looks our Sovereign Citizen interest peaked around 2012 ..
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It was Plato who said, “He, O men, is the wisest, who like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing”
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