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Thursday, 11/12/2020 7:19:30 PM

Thursday, November 12, 2020 7:19:30 PM

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A few mentioning "stand-your-ground" law it feels you may be referring to. And some picked up along the way:

"In most states I think there are laws that allow a home owner to the right of self defense and..."

2020 - George W Bush says those trying to silence protesters 'do not understand the meaning of America'
"James Mattis Denounces President Trump, Describes Him as a Threat to the Constitution
In an extraordinary condemnation, the former defense secretary backs protesters
and says the president is trying to turn Americans against one another.
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This Is Not a Recipe for ‘Order.’ It’s a Recipe for Chaos.
The words of Tucker Carlson and Kenosha Police Chief Daniel Miskinis are profoundly dangerous.

_By Jack Holmes Aug 27, 2020
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Not to mention how Carlson and the Trumpists he's allied with have for months been breathlessly pushing a theme of American Cities in Chaos that completely outstrips reality, telling people things have descended into outright anarchy.
P - Even if you think the authorities are not doing a sufficient job maintaining order, take it up with them. The public has not entrusted the accused here—or any of the militia members with whom he seems to have found common cause—with the power to enforce order in the street or use deadly force. He is not deputized.
P - We, the public, have not assented to this through any democratic or legal mechanism. It is lawless. This is Stand Your Ground on steroids, or maybe PCP. It might not be your ground, and you might have to travel across state lines to stand there, but as long as you're the Right Kind of guy with a gun, some people will make excuses for you.
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2019 - Opinion | Nancy Pelosi was right about Trump's impeachment (and Democrats were wrong)
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Can’t even claim stand your ground since they were on church property. And the beat goes on.
Two white Florida men just opened fire on two biracial children walking home from store in racist attack
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2018 - That's a count of known right wing terrorists. I would have added quite a few more. The killed and wounded in the Vegas shooting, the unarmed civilians gunned down by cope... the stand your ground victims.
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Inside Trump’s Disastrous ‘Secret’ Drug War Plans for Central America
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At closed-door meetings in Miami, Trump and his generals plotted a muscular military response to violence in Central America. Been there. Done that. It’s a disaster.
Jeremy Kryt 07.01.17 12:01 AM ET
Nothing really puts you in your place quite like getting shot at in another country. All gringo arrogance vaporized in an instant. Choking from teargas. Lungs aflame. Reeling blind through unknown streets just ahead of the death squads. Abandoned by your fellow correspondents, who were all shrewd enough to have put on their gas masks and taken cover before the soldiers launched shock grenades and opened fire on the crowd.
P - Yes, whenever a quick and brutal dose of humility is called for I can always flash back to the Honduran capital of Tegucigalpa in the summer of 2009, during the U.S.-backed military coup .. http://www.thedailybeast.com/obama-honduras-coup-illegal?via=desktop&source=copyurl .. against elected president Manuel “Mel” Zelaya .. http://inthesetimes.com/article/5180/blood_and_fire_in_honduras_an_interview_with_mel_zelaya . A swift recall of live rounds slamming into unarmed demonstrators—of my own self at the mercy of those sadistic soldados—and all false pride just fades away.
P - The crowds had come in their thousands and their tens of thousands to protest the army’s kidnapping of old Mel, who was as famous for his cheesy sombrero-and-mustache look as he was for his tepidly liberal politics. In any case, soldiers arrived at his house one pleasant morning in late June, frogmarched him in his PJs to the massive American airbase just outside Teguc, and—wham, whack, whoosh—Mel was gone from the country within hours. The military then forged a letter of resignation, installed a sham replacement as head of state, and the coup was complete.
P - Or so they thought. But then came the massive marches. Made up of indigenous Garifuna and Linca and Meskit peoples. Campesinos, feminists, and constitution-lovers of all stripes. These motley flocks of patriots rose up in small villages and major cities across the nation to sing and and chant, to beat drums and dance, and to demand their country back.
P - Like many of its neighbors in Central America, the “U.S.S. Honduras” is run by a small and incestuous clan of oligarchs. These right-wing cliques also control the military, and are closely allied with the American corporations (like Dole and Chiquita) that gifted us with the handy phrase “Banana Republic” in the first place. Well, those Honduran overlords had had enough of Mel Zelaya daring to raise the minimum wage, lobbying for lunch programs at public schools, and suggesting democratic plebiscites .. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/07/01/why-president-zelayas-actions-honduras-were-legal-and-constitutional# .. on constitutional reforms. So he had to go.
P - And all the folks marching in the street? Of course they had to go, too. Back to the barrios from whence they came! Back to the banana and palm-oil plantations .. http://inthesetimes.com/article/12285/carbon_credits_in_the_valley_of_death ! To affect the end of the protest fiesta, the authorities broke out the state-of-the-art weaponry—including sonic disruptor cannons .. http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/elist/eListRead/honduras_dispatch_interview_with_zelaya/ —that Uncle Sam had given them for waging the “War on Drugs.” They then commenced to blast away at .. http://www.narconews.com/Issue60/article3822.html .. peaceful protesters, or anybody else who got in their way, including a foolish-proud, white-boy reporter who thought he could hack it without a gas mask.
P - Scores were killed or wounded during what Hondurans still call El Golpe de Estado (the phrase means “coup d’état”; those who backed it are called golpistas). To further intimidate the opposition, and break the will of the nonviolent Resistencia movement, human rights centers sheltering victims were deliberately targeted by government troops. Well, we all learned the hard way back in those days. But at least we did learn just how dangerous democracy-hating, Third-World warmongers can be.
P - The same can’t be said of the Trump administration. As of now, it’s set to double down on the same hard-line, authoritarian strategies that enabled the Honduran president-snatching in the first place—and resulted in the country’s descent into a gang-ridden, apocalyptic nightmare from which it has yet to awaken.
P - The “Northern Triangle” Tangle
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2015 - 6000 rounds per minute Gatling Gun. The perfect way to "stand your ground". or plow your garden. now who would deny anyone having one of those for home protection?
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2014 - Stand your ground, confusion share stage
Posted on Thursday, 02.20.14 BY SUE CARLTON
Here is the state of our state when it comes to Florida’s self-defense law and this latest stunner of a court case:
P - A man in Jacksonville is found guilty of shooting at an SUV full of teenagers after a dispute over their loud “thug music.” With this verdict, he is held to answer for three kids in that red Dodge Durango thankfully not hit by the 10 times he fired.
P - But our shoot-first stand your ground law may also be responsible for keeping that same jury from finding Michael Dunn guilty of fatally shooting a fourth teenager, 17-year-old Jordan Davis.
P - And yet again, we are left to puzzle over the potential impact of a law that says if you feel reasonably threatened, you can shoot. You don’t have to back down.
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