TuMaRu Friday, 07/31/20 09:21:25 AM Re: TheGuy87 post# 535 Post # of 554 Thats great, thanks for responding. Oil & gas is a mature industry, and they have sophisticated processes for containment, recovery and even remediation of enviro. damage when it occurs. But it is still susceptible and over 120+ years of being the backbone of human progress and development, hydrocarbons have done a lot of damage to the environment. To me, a bigger problem is the emerging push to so-called green tech - solar, EV, wind, etc. The leftist morons touting the "green new deal" have no clue of all the WASTE it generates. The average windmill life is 20-30 years max, and from the installed capacity in the US since the '90s, over 30% are now obsolete, unreparable or costly /inefficient to use. Hence lying idle. Same with batteries no one is talking about RECYCLING the gazillions of lithium batt to be manufactured and already in use. And what about discarded solar panels?? How to recycle those?? In addition to the massive global problem of plastics and other petroleum derivatives, we're bringing all these things to the market without a full-fledged lifecycle management program to include decommissioning / recyling / EOL strategies. America and Europe have been taking the easy way out by shipping all electronic (and plastic) wastes to 3rd world countries far away. Now that they have seen what it truly costs, they're refusing to accept the West's unrecyclable garbage. It took decades to figure out how to recycle lead batteries, and then there was mining for minerals and rare earths that has left entire regions polluted and unusable for humans .... I could go on.