Yes, ATM, I hear you. Against my orders (OK, it was more like pleading), I found out my father was back on a roof again. When I was over at my parents' home, a neighbor came out telling me what a good job my dad did...replacing their roof (from the tornado time)!!! Huh?!? "Hey dad, what's up with dat!" "Oh yeah, son, didn't I mention it to you?" "AHEM" "NOOOOOO!" And, unlike you ATM, I couldn't have done this myself,...gladly,...or any other way. Unreal. We'll probably die first, and our fathers will be landscaping & building homes long afterward... How are you at fixing roofs Anne-Marie? :-)) Anybody? ~This message paid for by the family of Fred's Father - To keep Fred's Father down on the ground~