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Tuesday, February 04, 2020 10:11:47 PM
The Yesha Council is the organization that supports the West Bank settlers so it's not surprising it's chairman, David Elhayani,
would be against any interruption of further occupation of what the international community fairly sees as occupied land.
"‘He misled everyone!’ Israeli leader fumes at Jared Kushner as Trump’s ‘peace plan’ spirals down the drain"
First an earlier post.
What you need to know about the Israeli settlements
"Republican Congressman on Suspected Islamic Radicals: "Kill Them All""
[...]
Who are the settlers?
This is a very broad question, and requires a fair amount of generalization.
According to the YESHA Council, which is the organization that represents West Bank settlements, there are approximately 420,000 settlers in the West Bank.
Each of these people has their own reasons for choosing to live in the West Bank, but we can break them down into four broad categories:
1. Religious-National Settlers: The religious-national settlers tend to live in the West Bank for ideological reasons. The West Bank has thousands of years of Jewish history and many Jewish holy sites, and religious-national settlers believe these have always been the Land of Israel, as promised to the Jewish people in the Old Testament.
In the Book of Exodus in the Torah, as in the Old Testament, verse 23:31 states "I will establish your borders from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, and from the desert to the Euphrates River. I will give into your hands the people who live in the land, and you will drive them out before you."
SERIOUSLY??!?!!
According to scripture, some of these holy sites include: the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron, where Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are buried; Shiloh, where the Ark of the Covenant rested before it was carried into Jerusalem; and the Tomb of Joseph in Nablus.
An Israeli settler holds a flag with slogans at the Amona outpost, northeast of Ramallah, on February 1, 2017.
2. Ultra-Orthodox Settlers: The Ultra-Orthodox tend to live in their own settlements. Modi'in Illit in the northern West Bank and Beitar Illiat in the southern West Bank are examples of Ultra-Orthodox settlements, also known as Haredi settlements. These are also two of the most populated settlements. Ultra-Orthodox settlements are generally located close to the Green Line, which is the 1949 Armistice Line that separates Israel from the West Bank. They generally don't live in the settlements for ideological reasons; rather, they choose to live in the settlements because housing there tends to be more affordable.
3. Economic Settlers: It's not only the Ultra-Orthodox who live in the settlements for economic reasons. Some secular settlers, among others, live in settlements near the Green Line and in the blocs because of more affordable housing or quality of life considerations. For example, the settlement of Ariel in the northern West Bank has a mostly secular population that has easy access to nearby highways leading into Israel's economic heartland.
4. Jordan Valley Settlers: In the decade after the 1967 Six-Day War, a group of settlements were established along the Jordan River; people who settled there saw themselves as a first line of defense. (A peace treaty with Jordan wasn't signed until 1994.) These settlements run north-south along the Jordan Valley in the West Bank. Many are agricultural towns, taking advantage of the fertile land near the Jordan River.
[INSERT: Stealing the best land, all in the name of "national security."]
Again, these are broad generalizations, but without getting into a detailed analysis of the settlers, this is a good place to start.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=132667237
The Zionists are steadily grinding toward their concept of Greater Israel. It's hard to see they won't get there as long as the U.S.
supports including all the existing illegal settlements in Israel, which as far as i know is part of Kushner's so-called "peace plan."
This a recent article, new to the board i hope. Didn't check.
Trump Releases Mideast Peace Plan That Strongly Favors Israel
The plan would discard the longtime goal of granting the Palestinians a full-fledged state. President Trump called it “a win-win” for both sides; Palestinian leaders immediately rejected it.
Video - 1:10 Trump Calls Middle East Peace Plan a ‘Win-Win Opportunity’
President Trump’s proposal strongly favors Israel, though he insisted his plan would be good for the Palestinians.
By Michael Crowley and David M. Halbfinger
Published Jan. 28, 2020
Updated Feb. 4, 2020, 2:17 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON — President Trump on Tuesday unveiled his long-awaited Middle East peace plan with a flourish, releasing a proposal that would give Israel most of what it has sought over decades of conflict while offering the Palestinians the possibility of a state with limited sovereignty.
Mr. Trump’s plan would guarantee that Israel would control a unified Jerusalem as its capital and not require it to uproot any of the settlements in the West Bank that have provoked Palestinian outrage and alienated much of the world. Mr. Trump promised to provide $50 billion in international investment to build the new Palestinian entity and open an embassy in its new state.
Note: Boundaries are approximate and based on available data provided by the White House, some of which was obscured. The administration is proposing that Israeli settlements in the West Bank become the site of future Israeli “enclaves.” Source: White House By The New York Times
That's a bit rough, inside for labels
“My vision presents a win-win opportunity for both sides, a realistic two-state solution that resolves the risk of Palestinian statehood to Israel’s security,” the president said at a White House ceremony that demonstrated the one-sided state of affairs: He was flanked by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel but no counterpart from the Palestinian leadership, which is not on speaking terms with the Trump administration.
[...]
As part of the proposal, Israel agreed to limit its settlement construction in a four-year “land freeze,” during which Palestinian leaders can reconsider whether to engage in talks.
But before returning to Israel on Tuesday, Mr. Netanyahu told reporters that he would ask his cabinet to vote Sunday on a unilateral annexation of the strategically important Jordan River Valley and all Jewish settlements in the West Bank, a move that is sure to further inflame the Palestinians.
Nearly three years in the making, Mr. Trump’s plan is the latest of numerous American efforts to settle the seemingly intractable conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. But it was a sharp turn in the American approach, dropping decades of support for only modest adjustments to Israeli borders drawn before 1967 and discarding the longtime goal of granting the Palestinians a wholly autonomous state.
[... Guess who gives support the plan. yep. The Unites Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia .. that's in the gap ...]
Mr. Trump said it was the first time that Israel had authorized the release of such a conceptual map illustrating territorial compromises it would make. He said it would “more than double Palestinian territory” while ensuring that “no Palestinians or Israelis will be uprooted from their homes.”
But under the plan, those Palestinians would find themselves virtually encircled by an expanded Israel and living within convoluted borders reminiscent of a gerrymandered congressional district. The proposal also envisions a tunnel connecting Gaza to the West Bank.
Mr. Trump, who loves to claim that he has outdone his predecessors, noted that several past presidents had “tried and bitterly failed” to achieve peace. “But I was not elected to do small things or shy away from big problems,” Mr. Trump said.
Mr. Netanyahu agreed that Mr. Trump had devised a “realistic path to a durable peace” that “strikes the right balance where others have failed.” But his move to annex West Bank territory could make any practical dealings with the Palestinians even more difficult.
“Front-loading the annexation seems to destroy the plan on the very day it’s released,” said David Makovsky, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy who was a member of Secretary of State John Kerry’s Middle East negotiating team. “It reaffirms the worst fears that this is more an annexation plan than a peace plan.”
[... you want big boy authoritarian bullying. you get it here ...]
Mr. Kushner and a small circle of Trump officials chose not to pursue the traditional path of brokering talks between the two parties that could lead to a joint proposal but to hand one down from Washington.
[...]
Democrats were largely critical. Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland sent a letter .. https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/download/van-hollen-mideast-peace-plan-letter .. to Mr. Trump on Tuesday, signed by 11 of his colleagues, calling the proposal a “one-sided” blow to prospects of a “viable” two-state solution.
“Previous presidents of both parties successfully maintained the respect of both Israelis and Palestinians for the United States’ role as a credible player in difficult negotiations. Your one-sided actions have made that impossible,” the senators wrote, calling the plan “a recipe for renewed division and conflict in the region.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/world/middleeast/peace-plan.html
would be against any interruption of further occupation of what the international community fairly sees as occupied land.
"‘He misled everyone!’ Israeli leader fumes at Jared Kushner as Trump’s ‘peace plan’ spirals down the drain"
First an earlier post.
What you need to know about the Israeli settlements
"Republican Congressman on Suspected Islamic Radicals: "Kill Them All""
[...]
Who are the settlers?
This is a very broad question, and requires a fair amount of generalization.
According to the YESHA Council, which is the organization that represents West Bank settlements, there are approximately 420,000 settlers in the West Bank.
Each of these people has their own reasons for choosing to live in the West Bank, but we can break them down into four broad categories:
1. Religious-National Settlers: The religious-national settlers tend to live in the West Bank for ideological reasons. The West Bank has thousands of years of Jewish history and many Jewish holy sites, and religious-national settlers believe these have always been the Land of Israel, as promised to the Jewish people in the Old Testament.
In the Book of Exodus in the Torah, as in the Old Testament, verse 23:31 states "I will establish your borders from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, and from the desert to the Euphrates River. I will give into your hands the people who live in the land, and you will drive them out before you."
SERIOUSLY??!?!!
According to scripture, some of these holy sites include: the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron, where Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are buried; Shiloh, where the Ark of the Covenant rested before it was carried into Jerusalem; and the Tomb of Joseph in Nablus.
An Israeli settler holds a flag with slogans at the Amona outpost, northeast of Ramallah, on February 1, 2017.
2. Ultra-Orthodox Settlers: The Ultra-Orthodox tend to live in their own settlements. Modi'in Illit in the northern West Bank and Beitar Illiat in the southern West Bank are examples of Ultra-Orthodox settlements, also known as Haredi settlements. These are also two of the most populated settlements. Ultra-Orthodox settlements are generally located close to the Green Line, which is the 1949 Armistice Line that separates Israel from the West Bank. They generally don't live in the settlements for ideological reasons; rather, they choose to live in the settlements because housing there tends to be more affordable.
3. Economic Settlers: It's not only the Ultra-Orthodox who live in the settlements for economic reasons. Some secular settlers, among others, live in settlements near the Green Line and in the blocs because of more affordable housing or quality of life considerations. For example, the settlement of Ariel in the northern West Bank has a mostly secular population that has easy access to nearby highways leading into Israel's economic heartland.
4. Jordan Valley Settlers: In the decade after the 1967 Six-Day War, a group of settlements were established along the Jordan River; people who settled there saw themselves as a first line of defense. (A peace treaty with Jordan wasn't signed until 1994.) These settlements run north-south along the Jordan Valley in the West Bank. Many are agricultural towns, taking advantage of the fertile land near the Jordan River.
[INSERT: Stealing the best land, all in the name of "national security."]
Again, these are broad generalizations, but without getting into a detailed analysis of the settlers, this is a good place to start.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=132667237
The Zionists are steadily grinding toward their concept of Greater Israel. It's hard to see they won't get there as long as the U.S.
supports including all the existing illegal settlements in Israel, which as far as i know is part of Kushner's so-called "peace plan."
This a recent article, new to the board i hope. Didn't check.
Trump Releases Mideast Peace Plan That Strongly Favors Israel
The plan would discard the longtime goal of granting the Palestinians a full-fledged state. President Trump called it “a win-win” for both sides; Palestinian leaders immediately rejected it.
Video - 1:10 Trump Calls Middle East Peace Plan a ‘Win-Win Opportunity’
President Trump’s proposal strongly favors Israel, though he insisted his plan would be good for the Palestinians.
By Michael Crowley and David M. Halbfinger
Published Jan. 28, 2020
Updated Feb. 4, 2020, 2:17 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON — President Trump on Tuesday unveiled his long-awaited Middle East peace plan with a flourish, releasing a proposal that would give Israel most of what it has sought over decades of conflict while offering the Palestinians the possibility of a state with limited sovereignty.
Mr. Trump’s plan would guarantee that Israel would control a unified Jerusalem as its capital and not require it to uproot any of the settlements in the West Bank that have provoked Palestinian outrage and alienated much of the world. Mr. Trump promised to provide $50 billion in international investment to build the new Palestinian entity and open an embassy in its new state.
Note: Boundaries are approximate and based on available data provided by the White House, some of which was obscured. The administration is proposing that Israeli settlements in the West Bank become the site of future Israeli “enclaves.” Source: White House By The New York Times
That's a bit rough, inside for labels
“My vision presents a win-win opportunity for both sides, a realistic two-state solution that resolves the risk of Palestinian statehood to Israel’s security,” the president said at a White House ceremony that demonstrated the one-sided state of affairs: He was flanked by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel but no counterpart from the Palestinian leadership, which is not on speaking terms with the Trump administration.
[...]
As part of the proposal, Israel agreed to limit its settlement construction in a four-year “land freeze,” during which Palestinian leaders can reconsider whether to engage in talks.
But before returning to Israel on Tuesday, Mr. Netanyahu told reporters that he would ask his cabinet to vote Sunday on a unilateral annexation of the strategically important Jordan River Valley and all Jewish settlements in the West Bank, a move that is sure to further inflame the Palestinians.
Nearly three years in the making, Mr. Trump’s plan is the latest of numerous American efforts to settle the seemingly intractable conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. But it was a sharp turn in the American approach, dropping decades of support for only modest adjustments to Israeli borders drawn before 1967 and discarding the longtime goal of granting the Palestinians a wholly autonomous state.
[... Guess who gives support the plan. yep. The Unites Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia .. that's in the gap ...]
Mr. Trump said it was the first time that Israel had authorized the release of such a conceptual map illustrating territorial compromises it would make. He said it would “more than double Palestinian territory” while ensuring that “no Palestinians or Israelis will be uprooted from their homes.”
But under the plan, those Palestinians would find themselves virtually encircled by an expanded Israel and living within convoluted borders reminiscent of a gerrymandered congressional district. The proposal also envisions a tunnel connecting Gaza to the West Bank.
Mr. Trump, who loves to claim that he has outdone his predecessors, noted that several past presidents had “tried and bitterly failed” to achieve peace. “But I was not elected to do small things or shy away from big problems,” Mr. Trump said.
Mr. Netanyahu agreed that Mr. Trump had devised a “realistic path to a durable peace” that “strikes the right balance where others have failed.” But his move to annex West Bank territory could make any practical dealings with the Palestinians even more difficult.
“Front-loading the annexation seems to destroy the plan on the very day it’s released,” said David Makovsky, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy who was a member of Secretary of State John Kerry’s Middle East negotiating team. “It reaffirms the worst fears that this is more an annexation plan than a peace plan.”
[... you want big boy authoritarian bullying. you get it here ...]
Mr. Kushner and a small circle of Trump officials chose not to pursue the traditional path of brokering talks between the two parties that could lead to a joint proposal but to hand one down from Washington.
[...]
Democrats were largely critical. Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland sent a letter .. https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/download/van-hollen-mideast-peace-plan-letter .. to Mr. Trump on Tuesday, signed by 11 of his colleagues, calling the proposal a “one-sided” blow to prospects of a “viable” two-state solution.
“Previous presidents of both parties successfully maintained the respect of both Israelis and Palestinians for the United States’ role as a credible player in difficult negotiations. Your one-sided actions have made that impossible,” the senators wrote, calling the plan “a recipe for renewed division and conflict in the region.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/world/middleeast/peace-plan.html
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