Tuesday, September 03, 2019 10:57:03 PM
I demurred from posting that one. Been swatting at the cheap shots, pun not intended, on Chicago gun violence, with a real idiot on another board. Educated myself thoroughly on the subject though.
Mayor nailed it, just as I've been doing right along:
‘Keep Our Name Out Of Your Mouth’ About Gun Control
Lori Lightfoot hit out at the Republican Texas senator after he cited Chicago as an example for why “gun control doesn’t work.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-chicago-mayor-gun-control_n_5d6e5935e4b0cdfe0575a972
Lori Lightfoot??Verified account? @LightfootForChi
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60% of illegal firearms recovered in Chicago come from outside IL—mostly from states dominated by coward Republicans like you who refuse to enact commonsense gun legislation. Keep our name out of your mouth. https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1168602589254029313 …
Ted Cruz??Verified account? @tedcruz
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Ted Cruz Retweeted Breitbart News
Gun control doesn’t work. Look at Chicago. Disarming law-abiding citizens isn’t the answer. Stopping violent criminals—prosecuting & getting them off the street—BEFORE they commit more violent crimes is the most effective way to reduce murder rates. Let’s protect our citizens.
She kept her knife out and cut hapless Ted, again.
Lori Lightfoot
? @LightfootForChi
Replying to @LightfootForChi
When @tedcruz and the @gop dismiss common sense gun policies, they disrespect victims and their families, who deserve to live without pain and fear.
Lightfoot struck a similar harsh tone with Ivanka Trump, an adviser to and the daughter of President Donald Trump, last month after she posted an error-strewn tweet about Chicago’s gun violence.
“It’s important when we’re talking about people’s lives to actually get the facts correct, which one can easily do if you actually cared about getting it right,” Lightfoot said at the time.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work
State lines don't stop guns
It's important to remember here that Chicago is very close to two states that have relatively weak gun laws: Wisconsin and Indiana. So while it's easy to pick on Chicago (or any other high-crime city) for its ugly statistics, says one expert, taking bordering states into account weakens this gun-advocacy talking point.
"It's not a scientific study. It's an anecdote," said Philip Cook, a professor of public policy studies at Duke University. "They might have pointed to Washington, D.C., back in the days when D.C. banned handguns and yet had high gun-violence rates. Those bans are only at best partially effective, because the borders are permeable."
D.C. borders Virginia, which does not have strong gun laws. (It gets a D from the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.)
Neither Wisconsin nor Indiana requires licenses or permits to purchase a gun, for example, nor do they require waiting periods. While Illinois has that B+ rating from the law center, Wisconsin has a C- and Indiana a D-.
And there's good evidence that being next-door to those states keeps Chicago criminals well-supplied with guns.
A 2015 study of guns in Chicago, co-authored by Cook, found that more than 60 percent of new guns used in Chicago gang-related crimes and 31.6 percent used in non-gang-related crimes between 2009 and 2013 were bought in other states.
Indiana was a particularly heavy supplier, providing nearly one-third of the gang guns and nearly one-fifth of the non-gang guns.
Other evidence corroborates this — a 2014 Chicago Police Department report found that Indiana accounted for 19 percent of all guns recovered by the department between 2009 and 2013.
New firearms trace data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives released last week likewise shows that Illinois as a whole faces a massive influx of guns. Of around 8,700 firearms recovered in Illinois and for which the bureau found a source state, more than half came from out of state — 1,366, nearly 16 percent, came from Indiana alone.
By comparison, 82 percent of guns recovered in Indiana and traced were from within Indiana, suggesting that criminals in that state don't have to cross state lines, like those in Illinois, to get their weapons.
Mayor nailed it, just as I've been doing right along:
‘Keep Our Name Out Of Your Mouth’ About Gun Control
Lori Lightfoot hit out at the Republican Texas senator after he cited Chicago as an example for why “gun control doesn’t work.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-chicago-mayor-gun-control_n_5d6e5935e4b0cdfe0575a972
Lori Lightfoot??Verified account? @LightfootForChi
Follow Follow @LightfootForChi
60% of illegal firearms recovered in Chicago come from outside IL—mostly from states dominated by coward Republicans like you who refuse to enact commonsense gun legislation. Keep our name out of your mouth. https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1168602589254029313 …
Ted Cruz??Verified account? @tedcruz
Follow Follow @tedcruz
Ted Cruz Retweeted Breitbart News
Gun control doesn’t work. Look at Chicago. Disarming law-abiding citizens isn’t the answer. Stopping violent criminals—prosecuting & getting them off the street—BEFORE they commit more violent crimes is the most effective way to reduce murder rates. Let’s protect our citizens.
She kept her knife out and cut hapless Ted, again.
Lori Lightfoot
? @LightfootForChi
Replying to @LightfootForChi
When @tedcruz and the @gop dismiss common sense gun policies, they disrespect victims and their families, who deserve to live without pain and fear.
Lightfoot struck a similar harsh tone with Ivanka Trump, an adviser to and the daughter of President Donald Trump, last month after she posted an error-strewn tweet about Chicago’s gun violence.
“It’s important when we’re talking about people’s lives to actually get the facts correct, which one can easily do if you actually cared about getting it right,” Lightfoot said at the time.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work
State lines don't stop guns
It's important to remember here that Chicago is very close to two states that have relatively weak gun laws: Wisconsin and Indiana. So while it's easy to pick on Chicago (or any other high-crime city) for its ugly statistics, says one expert, taking bordering states into account weakens this gun-advocacy talking point.
"It's not a scientific study. It's an anecdote," said Philip Cook, a professor of public policy studies at Duke University. "They might have pointed to Washington, D.C., back in the days when D.C. banned handguns and yet had high gun-violence rates. Those bans are only at best partially effective, because the borders are permeable."
D.C. borders Virginia, which does not have strong gun laws. (It gets a D from the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.)
Neither Wisconsin nor Indiana requires licenses or permits to purchase a gun, for example, nor do they require waiting periods. While Illinois has that B+ rating from the law center, Wisconsin has a C- and Indiana a D-.
And there's good evidence that being next-door to those states keeps Chicago criminals well-supplied with guns.
A 2015 study of guns in Chicago, co-authored by Cook, found that more than 60 percent of new guns used in Chicago gang-related crimes and 31.6 percent used in non-gang-related crimes between 2009 and 2013 were bought in other states.
Indiana was a particularly heavy supplier, providing nearly one-third of the gang guns and nearly one-fifth of the non-gang guns.
Other evidence corroborates this — a 2014 Chicago Police Department report found that Indiana accounted for 19 percent of all guns recovered by the department between 2009 and 2013.
New firearms trace data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives released last week likewise shows that Illinois as a whole faces a massive influx of guns. Of around 8,700 firearms recovered in Illinois and for which the bureau found a source state, more than half came from out of state — 1,366, nearly 16 percent, came from Indiana alone.
By comparison, 82 percent of guns recovered in Indiana and traced were from within Indiana, suggesting that criminals in that state don't have to cross state lines, like those in Illinois, to get their weapons.
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