Spokeshave has a great deal of credibility in my opinion. When he says that he can absolutely guarantee that you can search and search and not find one single example of where a company has a design win or had an order placed prior to final silicon, then why do you insist on saying there will be orders placed soon (less than 2 months from now)????? What makes RIM different than any other company in this arena? And please don't use anything Brad has said to you. Use independent proof for any statement made. Thank you.