Ron, I have been told to GFY on many occasions. Although I have had fun trying, I have been unable to master it also. Maybe someone that has learned how to can help us. How about you C.? Have you learned to GFY yet? I have always found it more fun to F with at least one partner, although two have been fun from time to time too. Anyone that has mastered the art of GFY is free to help us learn how. I don't know if we would if we could though. Although, I understand that's why dogs LT. (because they can) Have fun, Phil