Dont put words in my mouth. I said none of those things. I simply acknowledge that a spin can be put on almost anything. If you try hard enough,and edit enough, and take things out of context enough you can make black seem white or white seem black. Two ways to tell if spin is used 1. pronouncements by any company that are backed up by SEC required documents. Documents and statements that , if untrue, can be used in a court of law to prove fraud. These clear cut no nonsense written statements better be factual. rim has made no legally actionable valid pronouncements through the SEC. rim makes thinly veiled weak PR statements like they are " contemplating " doing this or that. Any adult with modest intelligence can easily see through this type of childish attempt at deception. Kind of like Clinton stating " It depends on what your definition of ' is' is. " 2. Past performance. If a company has met expectations in the past it is reasonable to assume possible success in the future. rim fails this test miserably.